EP 111: Patrick Jorgensen (autogenerated)
Dane Reis: [00:00:00] you booked it episode 111 then, right.
right. Or let’s get started. I am excited to introduce my guest today. Patrick Jorgensen. Are you ready for this Patrick? Oh, right. right. Patrick is a rapper from Bergen Norway, known for English language lyrics that deal with personal subject matter often considered a stylistic heir to M and M.
[00:00:28] His music gave him global attention after placing second on the TV competition. Norway’s got talent in 2015. Before his breakthrough appearance, he studied at the Academy of art in San Francisco and at McNally Smith college of music through his music, he has been able to get the attention of Chris Brown Tyga and his audition has been seen by 200 million people around the world.
[00:00:52] This has allowed him to stand on stages. Both inside and outside of Norway, the long list of performances he has done so far, he has been able to perform for the King of Norway members of the European parliament and the U S Congress is drive as an artist is to be the person that he himself would have needed at a younger age.
[00:01:13] Patrick. That is a quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done, but why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself, filling the gaps, who you are, where you’re from, where you’re currently calling home and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry.
[00:01:32]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:01:32] All right.
Uh, I mean, just, just to tell you a little bit more about who I am. Um, I’m just a normal kid from Bergen, Norway who, uh, has been, uh, in love with the art of rap and just expressing in general, since I was. Probably around 12 or 13 years old before I discovered that that was something that I really had an eye for.
um, it got my attention and kept it. So from their own, I’ve been doing, I’ve been active as an artist. And by saying active as an artist, I just mean that well, it has been in and out of my life. Since that time, but I started taking music seriously as a, probably around the age of 15.
[00:02:15]and since then, it’s just been,
uh, yeah, I’m just been, trying to get serious about my craft, trying to get serious about my audience and fans and all this stuff. that’s pretty much summarizes, uh, , uh, my way into the entertainment industry anyways.
[00:02:29]Dane Reis: [00:02:29] Yeah, . And let’s move on to this next section here. And Patrick, look, I am a sucker for a good quote. What is your favorite quote? You’d like to share with everyone?
[00:02:42]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:02:42] if I had to say,
uh, I mean, I want this quote just to be very relevant , uh, in, towards the entertainment industry. And I know people listening might not be in the same area of in industries I am, but one thing that’s true, regardless of what part of the industry you’re working at is that, people in the business, do business where business is done.
[00:03:05]Dane Reis: [00:03:05] Right
[00:03:06] Patrick Jorgensen: [00:03:06] Which means, at least for me, I had to learn that,
um, in a lot of ways, just because, um, I remember I had a teacher, my first year of college and every, the first minute of his class, he would ask each and every student, whether or not they had been active that week in the industry. And he was the one who drilled that into my head. just pet itself. So I can’t tell you who has written it. I can’t tell you who, who came up with it, but I know it’s true. So.
[00:03:35]Dane Reis: [00:03:35] Yeah, for sure. Nothing just happens.
Right? You see Right? You see people that have created successes in their careers, in their lives like yourself, and it doesn’t just magically happen out of nowhere. Right. Right. You have to do the work. You have to show up every day and you’ve got to do something and move yourself forward.
[00:03:52]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:03:52] Yeah, it is. Yeah, it’s totally right.
[00:03:57] Dane Reis: [00:03:57] Great. And let’s move on to this next section here. And Patrick, of course you are an entertainer. I am an entertainer. And I think that you would agree that this industry can be one of the most subjective, brutally, honest, personally, emotional industries in existence. And you know,
you know, as well as I. That in order to create and have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now takes a lot of dedication and hard work.
[00:04:29] And while yeah, there’s an outrageous amount of fun and excitement being an entertainer and doing what we do. There are also our fair share of obstacles, challenges, and failures. We are going to experience and we’re going to have to move forward through. So tell us what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out the other side better because of it
[00:04:52]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:04:52] Eh, I think,
um, just in general doubt is one thing that has been an obstacle,
[00:04:59] Dane Reis: [00:04:59] for sure.
[00:05:00]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:05:00] doubt, and also just acceptance as a whole. And,
uh, I know at a, at a younger age, it was very important for me to, at least felt very important for me to fit in. I wanted to be with the cool kids. Do you want to be this? Do you want to be the best at this?
[00:05:16] Or you want to do sports or whatever you want to do?
Uh, I mean, you kind of jumped back and forth from things when you were younger, , um, just that acceptance kind of, it’s not as essential as I thought it would be. Because at the end of the day, you’re going to have to live with yourself. you’re the one who’s going to have to live up to your expectations and all.
[00:05:34]So it’s just important to keep a focus on who you want to be and accept that. And nonetheless, just find something you’re really passionate about in the process.
[00:05:45]Dane Reis: [00:05:45] Yeah, I think you said it right there. Find something you’re really passionate about in. The process and you’re so right, because I think, especially when we’re in the beginning of our careers, that we really put a lot of stock in what other people’s opinions are of us, whether that’s directly related to our art, or if it’s simply just existing in life, we want to be accepted.
Right. But I think the more, like you said, the more you experience life, the more you realize those kinds of things, don’t really. Matter, you know, no one is going to provide you the opportunities that you need or going to shape your life, it’s you, that has to do that. You have to take hold of that. And as you do that, and you have that journey, I’m sure that you started realizing you were like, I’m the one that’s responsible for so much.
[00:06:32] I need to find the acceptance for me and moving forward. And it sounds like that’s exactly what you’ve done.
[00:06:38]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:06:38] At least if I were to look back and feels like,
um, for a few years, people kept telling me what I couldn’t do. And then it went from them telling me what I wouldn’t be able to do. And then it turned into what I should do. people went from being critics to being people who gave me advice. and I think that just comes with, having done something, having something to show for.
[00:07:03]and it also was just like a. I don’t know,
people, people change perception and start taking you seriously. Once you start taking yourself and your career seriously as well. So I think those things go hand in hand, but it doesn’t happen overnight either. So.
[00:07:17]Dane Reis: [00:07:17] No. And also, I think there’s a key point in there. You said. People will take you seriously when you take yourself seriously, and that’s such an important thing to take away because a lot of people will start down a journey, be like, Oh, I’m going to do this. And I’m going to do that.
[00:07:31] And people are like, aha, sure.
We’ll we’ll believe it when we see it. Right. Uh, but it’s also very funny and ironic how people will, like you said, be critics and kind of kind of be the naysayers. And then all of a sudden they’re the same people that are kind of coming back at you with support and encouragement.
[00:07:45]It’s a weird thing that happens, but it’s something that’s common that I found throughout talking with loads of other people with my career personally, and you just have to stay true to you and not
kind of get bogged down by that and take those kinds of relationships that end up coming your way. Take them and see if there’s something there and see if you can make something positive out of it.
[00:08:04]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:08:04] Yeah, absolutely. And just a, I mean,
I mean, you need to be motivated yourself because if. If you’re going to have to rely on other people to motivate you, then I don’t see it going anywhere. It needs to, it needs to be something you’re passionate about.
[00:08:17]Dane Reis: [00:08:17] Absolutely.
[00:08:18] Patrick Jorgensen: [00:08:18] my area of the industry. It might be different if you’re a director or something else.
I mean, you can have good days and bad, but overall you need some kind of dedication.
[00:08:26]Dane Reis: [00:08:26] For sure. A hundred percent. And let’s move on to this next section here and to a time that I like to call your spotlight moment. That one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be an entertainer for living or. Maybe it was, yes, this is what I need to be doing as an entertainer. Tell us about that.
[00:08:52] Patrick Jorgensen: [00:08:54] Question anyways as a two part question. So just to,
I mean, I have a very significant moment that I kind of realized that this was something for me. and I had actually had two moments, but they came a year apart. So the first moment was actually me performing ads at a talent show at school.
[00:09:13]When I was probably,
uh, I was in fourth grade. So I can’t be, I was probably around 10. And the funny thing is that I won that competition and it was, it was a big moment for a 10, 10 year old, just to win a competition at school and have it, have everybody to kind of look at, look at you as the person who knew everything about rap.
I mean, you know, when you’re 10 years old, people barely knew what rap was. Um, also I was rapping in English and that’s kind of significant for a Norwegian kid at 10 years old. And, uh, I think from that moment on, I kind of got labeled as a rapper and people looked to me for, for any opinions about a rap song or that John rhe in general.
[00:09:53]And then the year after we had a contest at school again, and every student on my grade was to write,
um, a speech. And then perform that speech in class. And I guess out of roughly a hundred students, mine was picked out as the one who was going to be read out loud on our constitutional day, which is a one year, um, once every year in may.
kind of our 4th of July moment
[00:10:22]but so those two days were
kind of the days where I really, that this is, this is something I think for me, this is something I’m good at and school in general. It wasn’t exactly going great for me. I, uh, was it dyslexic and reading and writing and all that stuff was very challenging.
[00:10:37] But formulating and standing in front of people was something I felt calm and comfortable.
Well, so it just felt natural.
[00:10:44]Dane Reis: [00:10:44] Yeah, that’s fantastic. And you’ve just rolled with it clearly since then. It’s just grown and become more and more of part of your identity.
[00:10:52]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:10:52] Yeah. I think the identity part is definitely an important factor here. just because
like, I don’t know who I would be without it. And it’s, I mean, I’ve over the years, you know, you always play around with the idea of like, what if, and um, if I had made a different decision at eight years old, I wouldn’t have been a rapper today.
I mean, I can’t choose anything. I can’t change who I would have been today without going back there far, you know, I’ve just been devoted to it.
[00:11:19]Dane Reis: [00:11:19] And let’s piggyback on that question real quick and talk about your number one, booked it moment. Walk us through that day. If auditions and call backs happened to be a part of it. Talk about that. What was going on in your life and what about that moment? Makes it your favorite booked it.
[00:11:40] Patrick Jorgensen: [00:11:42]
Mmm. Yeah. I mean, I mean, so my favorite book, that moment would have to be the audition that you were talking about in the introduction where I kind of, I had written this song that I performed I’d written about a year earlier. So it wasn’t, the, the song itself was already old news and I had shown it, I had put it out on the internet and people, it hadn’t really caught on at all.
[00:12:04]And. Eventually I had been a part of a school play, at the university I was going at the time and I was very serious about
like the entertainment part of it, you know? And it seemed like other people were just there to have fun and, uh, and party and socialize. But for me, it was like, no, this is, has to be as good as it can be.
[00:12:23] And this is a chance for us to showcase our talents and blah, blah, blah. So one thing led to another, and I felt
like, uh, by the end of being a part of that school play, I really felt like, uh, I was misunderstood or that it wasn’t representative of what I knew how to do and what I could, um, I do as a performer.
[00:12:41]So I saw this sign up ballot for got talent. I decided to sign up and,
uh, . I mean, they, they recruited me online. I didn’t have to, uh, show up physically for any, for any, um, like pre addition or something like that. But, uh, yeah, and I actually missed my flight there.
[00:12:57]It was early in an early morning flight. And I missed my,
uh, miss my flight and I had, I had a, I had to call them and say, uh, I don’t know if I can make it today. I missed my flight. And I was like, yeah, I really wanted to be there. It wasn’t on purpose. It’s not that I’m like nervous or trying to pull out.
[00:13:13] It’s just, I literally came to the gate five minutes late. So
I mean, they understood and they put me on a different plane a little bit later in the day. And I, I just remember those few hours in the airport from morning to afternoon, where I was just walking around, just like going through what it would be like to go on that stage.
[00:13:30] And I hadn’t brought any family members, anything with me just because I’m, I don’t know. The, I just imagined what it would be the level of disappointment that would come along with it. If I,
uh, if I didn’t make it through the audition round, And so, uh, I went down there and I had never heard about like the golden buzzer or anything like that.
[00:13:52] So that was like a new concept to me. And the people in the crew kept
kind of like hinting to it because they had, um, listened to the song that I had submitted, submitted, and kind of figured out that, um, it was a good song and this would be a good act to, to bring on. eventually I went on stage introduced myself and that I remember as I was performing, I thought it sounded horrible.
[00:14:14]but that was my personal opinion. And it was basically because they didn’t have any monitors pointing towards me at stage. And that was basically so that they could record better sound.
[00:14:25] Dane Reis: [00:14:25] Oh, that’s so difficult too. Wow.
[00:14:27] Patrick Jorgensen: [00:14:27] Yeah. Yeah. But so that made it
kind of challenging for me to hear like where it was at, like, uh, in terms of melody and was I hitting the notes and all that stuff.
[00:14:35] I was like, whatever. And then out of nowhere as the song finished , people were just in tears and a gold came,
uh, raining down on me and. I dunno, it was just like, it was so many impressions at once.
[00:14:49]Dane Reis: [00:14:49] Oh, that’s such a great story. And I watched that audition a few days ago and it’s such a good audition. Fantastic work on that. But yeah, but for anyone who’s not a singer or has never been on stage to not have monitors when you. Our singing on stage is outrageously difficult. It’s this weird phenomenon that happens that as you start singing, if you don’t have monitors pointing back at you and you’re singing into a microphone, it’s almost like you can’t hear anything.
[00:15:19] It’s almost like you go deaf. It’s the weirdest thing that happens
[00:15:22] Patrick Jorgensen: [00:15:22] it’s
kind of your ears, your ears. Yeah. Thank you. Uh, I would, I would just say that it’s kinda like a, your ears switching over to hearing you from the, from, from the, everything that you hear comes from your voice instead of what you’re projecting, hang out into the room. So the monitors would be helpful to let you know if you’re, if you’re sounding okay or
[00:15:43] Dane Reis: [00:15:43] Yeah. On pinching.
[00:15:45] Patrick Jorgensen: [00:15:45] And a funny detail about
the, the mission itself, um, And I know they said this has been like heavily debated in comment sections and all that stuff. And it’s, I think it’s like towards the end of the second verse or something, I got credited for like, like, Oh yeah, he tears up. Eh, he’s, it’s so emotional that he actually tears up towards the end of the verse.
[00:16:07]But the truth is that I ran out of breath. And
I just, I just had like stopped singing for like like two words, because like, it was not physically possible for me to push out anymore
uh, and just in the, the days before I went on that addition, I had rehearsed without adrenaline.
[00:16:24]Dane Reis: [00:16:24] Of
[00:16:25] Patrick Jorgensen: [00:16:25] So,
So, and, but once you get on stage and once there’s like a few hundred people in front of you, the adrenaline starts pumping and I automatically, you just put a little bit extra energy into it.
[00:16:36] Dane Reis: [00:16:36] Yeah. And you burn
[00:16:37] through all that.
[00:16:38] Patrick Jorgensen: [00:16:38] yes. And there was literally,
I mean, there’s 250 words on average in each verse. Of that song. So, I mean, I have to say 250 words without breathing. , uh, it can be challenging for anyone, but at least a Fern, not, I mean, I hadn’t had that much stage experience at that time, yeah, there’s probably things I would have done differently if I hadn’t donated again today.
[00:17:01]Dane Reis: [00:17:01] Yeah, well,
well, there you have it folks. He wasn’t tearing up. He just ran out of breath, which is totally fine.
[00:17:08] Patrick Jorgensen: [00:17:08] Okay. But I mean,
I mean, it worked out, you know,
[00:17:10]cause I mean, I guess people, people enjoyed it. The fact that I tear it up, if that’s what they thought. So I just, I spoke about it, but you
[00:17:18] Dane Reis: [00:17:18] let it roll.
[00:17:19] Patrick Jorgensen: [00:17:19] You guys heard it first now.
[00:17:21] Dane Reis: [00:17:21] Perfect. And let’s take a moment to talk about the present. What projects are you working on now? What are you looking forward to? And it’s a weird time. I’m not sure what things are like in Norway for you, but we are amidst this global pandemic. how do you see the entertainment industry moving forward in the next couple of years?
[00:17:42]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:17:42] Oh, wow. I feel like you had
a lot of, a lot of things I wanted to include here. So the COVID thing is a section for itself, I would say. Um, so I’m not gonna talk too much about that, but I can say that things are fairly normal here in Norway compared to other places. And, uh, it seems like our government has it somewhat under control.
[00:18:04]but it’s still something that,
uh, is looming over us and. It kind of changes the way we communicate and on behalf of where the industry is going. Um, if anything, I think it’s going to be way more digital. I think, uh, going to a festival is not going to have to mean that you’re going to have to be at this one place surrounded by a thousand people, a few thousand people.
Um, I think a festival is going to be potentially put into the VR world and I mean, there’s going to be. More digital ways for you to experience music. There’s going to be new ways for sound to hate you. I don’t know. I, I’m kind of a visionary in that, in that sense where I can see it, see it happening.
[00:18:42] And I know,
uh, there’s already been virtual festivals. I mean, so I’m not the first one to think that’s odd, but yeah. So where is it going? I can’t really tell you, but if anything, it’s going to be more digital.
[00:18:54]Dane Reis: [00:18:54] For sure. and it is time to move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightening round. I am going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible one after another. Are you ready?
[00:19:16]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:19:16] Okay. Let’s go.
[00:19:17] Dane Reis: [00:19:17] All right. First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career as an entertainer?
[00:19:25]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:19:25] at least for me, it was the doubt. It was just like, do I have what it takes to do? I see myself actually doing this,
um, other people’s opinions affected me way more than they should have at the time, but that’s just like, Yeah. When you’re 10 years old and you, you care about what other people think it’s, uh, it’s hard to get out of, so doubt.
[00:19:44]Dane Reis: [00:19:44] Yes. and the second question, what is the best piece of advice
[00:19:48] you have ever received?
[00:19:50]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:19:50] Okay. Yeah. So
the, the advice that I kind of want to say here, Is a kind of cliche,
[00:19:56]but I mean,
I mean, I don’t know, you, you can’t give a good piece of advice without being cliche, so it would be
[00:20:04] yeah. So I would just have to say believe in yourself or no one else will
[00:20:09]Dane Reis: [00:20:09] Yes. And the third question, what is something that is working for you right now? Or if you’d like to go pre COVID, what was working for you before our industry went on? Pause.
[00:20:22]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:20:22] I think
uh, , uh, my process of getting something from a written form into a recorded piece of music is way better now than it was, um, a year ago, just because, uh, I have formed new relationships and I have people and producers in a studio and people involved in the process and, uh, Yeah. I’m way more happy with what I make, what the result that we’re left with as of today than when I was a year ago.
[00:20:49]Dane Reis: [00:20:49] Oh, that’s great. And the fourth question, what is your best resource? Whether that is a book, a movie, a YouTube video, a podcast, maybe a piece of technology that you found is helping your career right now.
[00:21:03]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:21:03] it would definitely fall into the technologies section. And,
um, if I just had to give credits to one. Specific piece of technology, it would be hard, but I would have to say Google docs or something, you know, it’s just keeping track of everything that I write , it’s making it possible for me to, communicate that.
[00:21:23] I spend a lot of time writing. So just that as a writing tool is just genius. How I can take it from my phone to my computer to send it off to someone, to bring it up when I’m in the booth
[00:21:35]Dane Reis: [00:21:35]
[00:21:35] and the fifth question, if you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in this industry, what would you do or not do? Would you do anything differently or would you keep it the same?
[00:21:52]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:21:52] I think the
patients, patients is, is something that should be underscored for anyone just starting out. Because as you, as you get started on a career, or like you think you, you found your passion in life and music you want to do it’s okay. Not to have to show up all your friends and all the people in your circle of people.
Um, whether that means friends of friends or just other people in general, too. Hear you or see you, it’s okay to take time, practice rehearse, and just be really strong from the get go. Um, but that patients haven’t having that patience and a will to just put in the hard work without the being recognized for it.
[00:22:34]I think that all often can be a good determinator whether or not it’s something you really are passionate about. And
I, I just remember as a 13 year old, if you have a song recorded, you want to show it off the next day. If you’re a 15 years old, you might be able to wait a week. And, uh, my, my best advice is just be a little bit patient.
uh, it gives you better time to kind of put it all in into a bigger picture. And it gives you some perspective because as you start. Putting ideas together. You can also start eliminating some of the, not so good ideas as better ones.
[00:23:10]Dane Reis: [00:23:10] Yeah.
That’s, that’s so good. And I also really enjoy the part where you brought up, you know, it can kind of be a good determinator if you’re able to. Stay with your product and just create and not have the praise not have, Oh, that was really good from people, right?
[00:23:25]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:23:25] yeah.
[00:23:26] Dane Reis: [00:23:26] Because ultimately you need to do whatever your art is for yourself.
[00:23:31] And it ha that has to really be enough in and of itself because you need to find the fulfillment with you. Not by externalizing
that that’s just. Cherries on top, right. Is people recognizing you and giving you some praise and some success for that. But if you’re not happy with it and it doesn’t motivate you personally, it’s hard to keep doing this for a long time.
[00:23:51]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:23:51] Yeah. And of course, like standing on stage in front of people, we’ll give any person on this earth, some kind of an adrenaline rush.
[00:24:00]And I just know that there’s so many people, that’s what they seek. That’s what they, that’s why they want to get into the music industry. And it looks so much fun from when I’m looking at people who are on stage.
I mean, I would just like to be the center of attention for once. I mean, I don’t know if that makes sense, but there’s a lot of people that that’s, that’s like their, their foundation or. Their first initial thought of why they should get into the entertainment industry is because they want to be the center of attention.
[00:24:27]And I guess what I’m trying to say is that it’s probably
not the, not the right thing to be seeking because that way you’re starting out seeking other people’s approval. And I don’t think that that’s the healthy approach anyways.
[00:24:42]Dane Reis: [00:24:42] agreed. And the last question, what is the golden nugget and all drop you’ve learned from your successful career in this industry? You’d like to leave with everyone.
[00:25:01]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:25:01] it’s just the small pieces of advice,
um, that can get people. A long way, just with a tiny little nudge of direction. And I think it, especially like considering how, how most people start out, taking people’s advice, knowing that people know things better than you do is totally okay.
[00:25:22]And. I think it’s,
um, important as you start out to be able to take people’s ideas and implement them into your own without stealing them. and also just thinking that you always have the answer is, is the, is the worst way to approach anything. Um, just because everybody has a different perspective, everybody has a different.
[00:25:42]Opinion and different experiences. but it’s something that I had to teach myself and
it took a, it took a long time and I wish someone had had kind of, um, given me that advice nice earlier, just because I, I kept doing the same thing because it was what I thought was the right way to approach it. even though some of my good friends had a very diff different.
[00:26:01]Opinion of different things that I just,
um, I didn’t take it to heart. Yeah. And as I got older and that serious about , making a name for myself in the entertainment industry, , it became way more evident to me that I needed to rely on other people in that process. And
[00:26:17]I just went at it as if I didn’t know more about anything than anyone else in the room. So hearing people out, taking things into consideration, but also just,
uh, yeah, not thinking that, you know, you know, at all.
[00:26:29] Dane Reis: [00:26:29] Yeah, perfect. And to wrap up this interview, Patrick, it is time to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? Or listeners connect with you. Is there anything you want to promote?
[00:26:44]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:26:44] Yeah.
I mean, I have a new, piece of music that came out a week ago, which is a song called a child of the world, I’ve spent a lot of time both writing it and producing it. And, uh, it’s a long story of where the inspiration came from, but it’s, um, it’s basically a song that is about acceptance and just, um, understanding and respecting that we’re all different, but that we can all be herself.
[00:27:09]Yeah. Yeah. It’s out on any streaming service, any anywhere you find music it’s on YouTube, Spotify, SoundCloud it’s on.
Um, yeah. And where you find music?
[00:27:20] Dane Reis: [00:27:20] Beautiful. And are you active on Instagram? Can we be, can we connect with you there?
[00:27:24]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:27:24] Yeah, it’s
uh, I’m at Patrick official. Which is, uh, something I have to spell with, uh, the number four instead of an a in the beginning there. So it’s kind of tricky to spell out, but Patrick official, if you just type that you will find it. And if you want to check out all of my contents, you would find that at hello, no music.com.
[00:27:46]Dane Reis: [00:27:46] Perfect. And for everyone listening out there, I have put the links to everything. Patrick just said into the description of this episodes, you can easily connect with him and listen to his latest song. Patrick. Thank you so much for being here today and taking your time to share your journey.
[00:28:05]Patrick Jorgensen: [00:28:05] Yeah, thank you for having me and thanks for the conversation.