Zeke Martin




EP 142: Zeke Martin (autogenerated)

Dane Reis: [00:00:00] you booked it episode 142. Okay. Let’s get started. I am excited to introduce my guest today. Zeke Martin, are you ready for the Sikh?

[00:00:15]Zeke Martin: [00:00:15] I am. I am totally ready. 

[00:00:17] Dane Reis: [00:00:17] Brilliant born in Brussels Zeke, entered the world with a pair of drumsticks in his hands.

[00:00:24] His musical repertoire includes, a blend of jazz funk, R and B reggae rock and more at 12 Zeke had his first gig in France with world renowned saxophonist, Steve Lacy  shortly after he moved to the United States where he began a successful career, including the formation of Zeke Martin and the Oracle in 2000, earning him an interview in drum magazine  since then, the Oracle has released a seven albums.

[00:00:51] The latest of which are entitled. Say what?  hashtag S U F. And put it in your hat. Just last year. Zeke has performed in many locations in the United States and throughout the world. A small selection include now in Anaheim, California, the Berkeley performance center, the Regata bar and the house of blues in Boston Zeke has shared the stage with three time Grammy winner, Justin rains, Ray Suji, and Jason Langley.

[00:01:23] He has opened for the Neville brothers, the funk brothers, and played with well-known guitars, retired red Sox, pitcher Bronson Arroyo at the world series championship gala opening for the Dropkick Murphys Zeke Martin, and the Oracle has also been reviewed by publications such as jazz times and has had the honor of being Grammy mentioned from 2014 to 2016 and 2019.

[00:01:49] Zeke. That is a quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done, but why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself to fill in the gaps and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry?

[00:02:03]Zeke Martin: [00:02:03] cool. Well, uh, first, um, they, I want to say thank you so much for having me on, uh, you booked it. Uh, I’m really honored and blessed to be on the show. So thank you so much for having

[00:02:12] Dane Reis: [00:02:12] My pleasure. Thank you for being here.

[00:02:15]Zeke Martin: [00:02:15] yeah. So kind of fill in the gaps, uh, that pretty much actually sums it all up. Um, no, I mean, I mean, uh, we’ve, you know, um, I’m a, uh, full-time musician.

[00:02:24] This is what I do for a living. Uh, I play drums. Um, I’ve been playing for over 30 years. Um, I also teach, uh, as well. I’ve been teaching for over 20 years, give or take something like that. Um, I’ve been teaching at, uh, Northeastern university, uh, for. 13 years now, um, doing private lessons. Um, and then I also during the summertime, uh, not this summer because it’s, you know, wonderful COVID.

[00:02:49]Um, but during the summer times, I teach at Berkeley, uh, doing percussion week a weekend and, uh, as well as the teaching privately doing zoom lessons, especially now. Um, but yeah, I’ve been playing, uh, all over the place. Um, in 2009, 2010, uh, My band and I, we toured over to Malaysia, which was amazing and awesome.

[00:03:12]Um, I’ve played, I don’t know, so many different places with so many different people made so many different friends throughout my years of playing. Um, and now I live in Boston and just trying to, uh, you know, enjoy my life and maintain a really wonderful successful, uh, Musical career I should say.

[00:03:32]Dane Reis: [00:03:32] , brilliant and such a good place to be set up as well. There’s so, I mean, so, I mean, between Northeastern and Berkeley and gosh, there’s so many great schools in Boston for what you do.

[00:03:42]Zeke Martin: [00:03:42] Yes, definitely. Yeah. And I hear that you were here too, so, you know, so if you were here then, you know, you know, it’s gotta be awesome.

[00:03:49]Dane Reis: [00:03:49] Yeah. I love that place actually. Berkeley. Recently acquired the Boston conservatory. So , I mean it, wasn’t the Boston conservatory and Berkeley college of music when I was there. But, uh, now we can tag it on why not

[00:04:04] Zeke Martin: [00:04:04] Hey, why not? Why not?

[00:04:05] Dane Reis: [00:04:05] exactly. Well, let’s move on to our first section here and Zeke. Look, I am a sucker for a good quote.

[00:04:12] What is your favorite quote? You’d like to share with everyone?

[00:04:15]Zeke Martin: [00:04:15] Oh, my goodness. Uh, those, so any of them, um, I was living in New York. I’ll give you a couple of quotes. Um, so that kind of stand out for me for my life. Um, and this first one, uh, took me a long time. I’m still trying to figure it out. I’ve gotten it to a point I’ve gotten it understood to a point. Um, but I was at a jam section in New York.

[00:04:36] And, uh, I used to go to this bar and sit in, and these guys, you know, a bunch of, uh, Latin musicians, but they also did like some funk stuff and stuff like that. And they kind of a little bit took me under their wing when I was there. This is like back in like 93, 94. And, uh, one of the band leaders, you know, we were hanging out after, uh, afterwards and he said, look with your ears and listen with your eyes. And I was like, okay, I didn’t get it. Um, and then as time went on, Experience after experience of playing on stage, I kind of started getting it and started understanding, uh, what he was saying. Um, being on stage and working with other musicians, you kind of kind of have to look with your ears, meaning really have big ears and listen to what’s going on and what the other players are, um, kind of doing and playing.

[00:05:31] And then, you know, You know, looking with your ears, that’s kind of looking with your ears and listening with your eyes, kind of observing how, uh, interact and move and so on and so forth. So, um, and then the other quote, um, that, uh, I kind of try my best to. Live my life by is a, was for my mom.

[00:05:48] And which was basically, uh, be the best Zeke Martin that you can be. There you go.

[00:05:53]Dane Reis: [00:05:53] boom. So good. I like both of those quotes. I’ve not heard the first one. Certainly haven’t heard the second one until today, obviously, but I love both of them so much. And especially in that second one. the idea of being lucky, you just gotta be you you you’re the only, you, you, you can only control you. So don’t worry about the rest.

[00:06:14]Zeke Martin: [00:06:14] Yeah, that came. Yeah, that came from my mom. Uh, because I remember when I was 16. Um, and uh, she said, you know, I went out to her. I said, I want to be a physician. She said, really? I was like, yeah, my father was a famous jazz drummer named Stu Martin. And he played with everyone from Herbie Hancock to. John McGlaughlin to, uh, Thelonious monk, so many different people. So I felt like I had to follow in his footsteps and, uh, you know, I went up, so I said, I want to follow in his footsteps. And she said, no. And I said, no, I really want she’s like, no, if you’re going to be a musician, be the best Zeke Martin, you can, there’s already a stew Martin be the best Zeke Martin that you can.

[00:06:54] Dane Reis: [00:06:54] yeah,

[00:06:55] Zeke Martin: [00:06:55] what that comes from.

[00:06:56] Dane Reis: [00:06:56] such good advice. Yeah, well, well, let’s move on to this next section here and Zeke, of course, you’re an entertainer, I’m an entertainer. And I think that you would agree that this industry can be one of the most subjective, brutally, honest and personally emotional industries in existence. And you know, you know, as well as I, that in order to create and have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now, it takes a lot.

[00:07:25] Of dedication and hard work. And while yeah, there’s an outrageous amount of fun and excitement doing what we do. There are also our fair share of challenges, obstacles, and failures. We are going to experience and we’re going to have to move forward through. So tell us, what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out the other side better because of it.

[00:07:49]Zeke Martin: [00:07:49] I’ve had a lot of failures. Um, I’ve had a lot of failures, uh, in my career, but I think. You’re supposed to, uh, if you don’t have failures, you’re not able to learn from them and you’re not able to, uh, grow, um, and, uh, be able to, um, move on and hopefully learn from them and be so successful. Uh, I was, uh, again living, Oh my goodness.

[00:08:14]Uh, a few of them actually, so living in New York, um, and there was this one club that I used to go to. and I, you know, I thought I, I had my stuff together and so, you know, I went and sat in and played and afterwards the bass player was like, dude, like, no, like get outta here. And I felt, I felt like crap.

[00:08:35] And I went back home and I cried and, you know, , uh,  I was like, okay. I was talking to my girlfriend at the time. I was like, Oh, I suck. I can’t play, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, it just kind of pushed me to work a little harder and start practicing harder and getting back in the shed and saying, you know what, I’m going to go back.

[00:08:54] And, you know, Work harder. Um, that actually happened to me a couple times. I sat in at a, a club here in Boston. This was many, many, many, many years ago. Um, and, uh, the bass player, again, a bass player, um, you know, uh, Was a friend of mine and you know, it had me sit in and man, my tempo was just like crash and burn.

[00:09:11] It was awful. And you know, I didn’t really, I was like, I can get got off stage thinking. All right, cool. That was fun. That was great. Yeah. And then the next day I was hanging out with, I was like, Oh man, you know what was going on? He’s like, dude, your temple was awful. I was like, Oh. And I felt so small and felt so bad.

[00:09:30] And I was like, Yeah. Okay. I need to go and work and you know, now it’s, you know, my tempo’s a lot better, at least I hope it is.

[00:09:39] Dane Reis: [00:09:39] yeah. 

[00:09:40] Zeke Martin: [00:09:40] and, um, You know, I do about, you know, when COVID is not around. I do, you know, roughly, like for the past few years, I’ve done about somewhere between 175 to 200 shows a year. Um, and I teach about 30 students a week.

[00:09:52]Um, so obviously something, you know, I’m doing something right. Um, where, you know, those, those instances where, you know, Definitely crash and burn instances, but you know, I’ve definitely come out on the other side and been able to, make a living out of it.

[00:10:06]Dane Reis: [00:10:06] , absolutely. You’re right. We have to all fail to grow or to have any perspective on how to get better. Right. We can’t just immediately come become amazing out of the gate, but God, as a percussionist that you guys have a hard job, man, to, to, having to set the tempos, everything like that. And. I mean also be playing your instrument, right?

[00:10:27] Like you have, from my perspective from, I’m not a musician in the sense that how you would define a musician, I don’t believe. And I feel like the percussionist has a lot on their table as compared to, uh, perhaps a few other other other members that might be in say a jazz band. Am I correct in that?

[00:10:45]Zeke Martin: [00:10:45] yeah, I mean, I’ve always felt that, you know, and this is always, uh, uh, this is always up for debate and the biggest argument you’re ever going to get, but the most important person in the band and my belief is the drummer and yeah. You know, You know, I might be, you know, biased or whatever, because I 

[00:10:58] am a drummer.

[00:10:59] But am a drummer. But if you think about a band, right, who counts off the tempo, 90% of the time, the drummer, you know, I always look at it this way. You can have a great band and a sucky drummer, the band is going to be awful, or you can have a sucky band and a great drummer and the band is going to be great. Um, I think it all, yeah, there’s definitely a heartbeat with the bass for sure. But the drummer really holds everything is like definitely the glue that holds it all together.

[00:11:27]Dane Reis: [00:11:27] Yeah, I was in a show in Las Vegas. I was dancing in a show and it was called pin-up great show, but we had a live band on stage and. It was such a great show, but my God, you could tell those days when Mark had a little bit too much coffee and you’re like, whew, it looks like we’re working hard tonight, guys.

[00:11:47]You know, cause now you got to do the choreography, you know, has to be sped up everything, right? The lifts, all of it. It makes it can make a show exciting. It can also, because it’s always that fine line of pushing the tempo to it being full of energy and really driving forward to being like, okay, we might be going too fast.

[00:12:03] Zeke Martin: [00:12:03] gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s uh, yeah, so, you know, it was, you know, on a fast-forward, uh, whenever you did your show and he was drinking coffee.

[00:12:10]Dane Reis: [00:12:10] exactly, exactly right. And then there was another time I was in other shows and from my experience in say the musical theater world, um, I usually have noticed that it’s the, the percussionist as well. That’s running like all the time code and things like that and doing all of that tech stuff. And running all of those while still, you know, maintaining his tempo, maintain like driving the show.

[00:12:29] There’s so many things that have to go on as a percussionist. It’s crazy.

[00:12:33] Zeke Martin: [00:12:33] Yeah. Yeah, for sure. It’s um, a good friend of mine who, uh, is doing, um, a Broadway show Hamilton, uh, the touring one and, you know, yeah, there’s a conductor and yeah, there’s all these different parts, but man, if, if he’s not, you know, on top of his game playing, you know, playing drums  you can tell that the show would fall apart.

[00:12:53] You know what I mean? Um, so yeah, I really feel like, you know, it, it starts, you know, it starts, it starts with the drummer face day set, you know, if it’s a good drummer and the band doesn’t have to worry about anything.

[00:13:04]Dane Reis: [00:13:04] , for sure. And let’s move on to a time that I like to call your spotlight moment. That one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be an entertainer for a living or maybe it was, yes. This is what I need to be doing in the entertainment industry. Tell us about that.

[00:13:27]Zeke Martin: [00:13:27] I still don’t know if I want to be in the entertainment industry.

[00:13:32] Dane Reis: [00:13:32] Fair enough. Fair enough.

[00:13:34] Zeke Martin: [00:13:34] I’m still working on that. Actually a quick side note. I actually almost quit drums when I was a kid. Um, you know, like you said, in my bio, my first gig was when I was 12, but, uh, when I moved to United States, um, in 1986, um, went to high school in Cambridge mass.

[00:13:49] And, um, I joined the tennis team and I grew up watching tennis in Europe. So I was, you know, I watched the, the big great matches, uh, from, you know, Jimmy Connors and John McEnroe and Yvonne Lendl and stuff like that. I almost quit drums to be a tennis player. so that just side note, it doesn’t mean that I was really good at it.

[00:14:10] It just means that I don’t really want to do the drum thing. I want to play tennis.

[00:14:15]Dane Reis: [00:14:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah,

[00:14:15] Zeke Martin: [00:14:15] you know, um, but I moved to in 1992, 1993, um, I moved to New York and, a friend of mine again, you know, it’s, it’s one of those things. If you know, drummers out there, bass players out there, there’s a certain, uh, comradery between those two instruments that, um, You’re just you just click and it’s just, you know, uh, you become really good friends or you’re not friends at all.

[00:14:39]Um, like in a band for instance. So this bass player who I was friends with, again, another bass player, um, gave me the CD, uh, which what he actually, yeah, he let me listen to one CD and then I discovered this other CD, um, And the first one was a P-Funk all-stars live in LA. and the drummer, on that is a very well-known gentleman by the name of Dennis Chambers and I’m listening to it and he does this roaring Phil like just comes out of nowhere and I’m like, Oh my God, what was that?

[00:15:14]Um, and I was like, That’s what I want to do. I want to do that. That’s, that’s exactly what I want to do. And so I kind of looked into him more and, uh, at the time I got it. And to this, uh, record, uh, it’s uh, John Scofield record, uh, uh,  it’s called pick hits live. And, um, the second tune on there, I think it’s called pickets.

[00:15:33] And Dennis does this, uh, intro. And I was like from then on, I was hooked. I was like, that’s exactly what I want to do. I want to that’s, you know, that’s what I wanna do for a living. And I just, you know, I work, you know, I had jobs and I’ve done just about every job you can think of as far as like day gigs.

[00:15:53]Um, and I really mean every single. Like everything.

[00:15:57] Dane Reis: [00:15:57] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:15:59] Zeke Martin: [00:15:59] except for maybe working at like a fast food joint, but, um, I’ve done, you know, I’ve done a lot of different day jobs. Um, so, but yeah, I heard that album and I was hooked and I was like, yup, that’s it. That’s what I want to do.

[00:16:12]Dane Reis: [00:16:12] Mm. So good. And let’s piggyback on that real quick and talk about your number one, booked it moment. Walk us through that day if auditions or callbacks or anything like that were part of it. Let’s hear about that, but what was going on in your life and what about that moment? Makes it your favorite?

[00:16:33] Booked it moment.

[00:16:35]Zeke Martin: [00:16:35] so for me, um, there’s a, uh, club in Boston. Um, actually actually there’s a couple of them. If, if you don’t mind, I’ll give you a

[00:16:43] Dane Reis: [00:16:43] Yeah. Yeah, of 

[00:16:43] Zeke Martin: [00:16:43] So, and so in 2000, I think it was 2010. Um, I released the CD, and, uh, I did the CD release party in New York. And it was at this club called what used to be called sweet Basil’s.

[00:16:59] And then it got changed to sweet rhythm and down in the village. And I was able to book it. I rent the room and I packed the place and I had, you know,  like I said, I come from, you know, a musical family, you know, from my father and my mother was actually an actress. Um, if you know the movie, uh, houseboat, we still feel a Ren.

[00:17:20]Uh, my mom was a body double for Sophia Loren.

[00:17:23] Uh, 

[00:17:23] Dane Reis: [00:17:23] Oh, cool.

[00:17:25]Zeke Martin: [00:17:25] yeah. So anytime you see that movie in Sophia Loren’s back is to the camera. That’s my mom. Uh, so, you know, I come from jazz royalty with my father, uh, and then acting from my mom. So, you know, there was some really major, you , you know what I mean?

[00:17:38]So it was major players that came to my CD release party. So that was really cool. Um, and, uh, you know, I mean, I have, you know, Um, I I’m really not a name dropper. Um, but it’s like, you know, it’s also my, for me, it’s my friends or it’s my family. And I don’t think of them as like these big celebrities. Um, but you know, my Godfather’s is very out to inject each unit.

[00:17:57]Um, so, you know,  you know, They were at my show and it’s like, you know, it’s fit for me. It’s just it’s family. You know what I

[00:18:01] Dane Reis: [00:18:01] of course.

[00:18:02]Zeke Martin: [00:18:02] you know, it’s like, so, you know, Billy Hart was there, you know, it’s like all these friends came to support me, you know? So that was a really great, you know, definitely, you know, I booked it moment.

[00:18:11]Um, and then the other one and what was also cool is, you know, I’ve been a fan of Dennis Chambers since I heard him, like I said, on that CD. Um, and then. Uh, he used to play at, you know, at sweet basles, which is, you know, went to sweet rhythm and then closed down, unfortunately. Um, but it was like, you know, okay, now I’m sitting here and I’m playing at the same place that he played it.

[00:18:33] You know what I mean? And then I booked my band at the Brugada bar. Um, and it was just like, did I just booked my band at the regatta bar? Like, this is like a top. Of the line, you know, jazz club it’s on the jazz circuit, you know what I mean? So it was just like, wow, this is, this is amazing.  and just setting up my drums there in the same spot that, you know, my idol, Dennis Chambers, you know, sets up his drum set, um, was just man.

[00:18:59] It just, it was amazing. And I, um, let’s see. I’ve played there. I’ve booked it twice now. Um, and I, and both times were, you know, just amazing and just unbelievable and, you know, packed the place. And, uh, so many people to support and, uh, coming out to just, you know, To support me, which was just amazing. Yeah.

[00:19:21] It was just totally. Yeah. I felt like I was in space.

[00:19:26] Dane Reis: [00:19:26] Yeah, I can

[00:19:27]Zeke Martin: [00:19:27] was, I was on, yeah, I was on cloud nine for sure.

[00:19:31]Dane Reis: [00:19:31] . And so cool that you’ve got to play regatta bar twice as well, so,

[00:19:36]Zeke Martin: [00:19:36] my band. Yeah.

[00:19:37] Dane Reis: [00:19:37] yeah. So when you do that, when you went back for the second time, were you able to. I’m envisioning maybe to enjoy it a little bit more because you’re like, Oh, I’ve been here. I can soak this up. Maybe a bit more.

[00:19:48]Zeke Martin: [00:19:48] a little bit, I mean, it’s okay. So it there’s a difference. So  first, first time, so as a musician, um, here’s a quick bit of advice, uh, to up and coming musicians, um, try to play with as many people as possible being as many bands as you possibly can, especially nowadays, because. Uh, unfortunately the, I feel like, uh, the days of like, Oh, I’m in a band and we’re gonna make it, um, you know, and be in this one van, um, are not necessarily over, but they’re not as, popular, not as, you know, it doesn’t happen as often. So try to play as with as many people as possible. So I have my own band, but I also play in a bunch of other bands. Um, so one of the other bands that I play in, uh, is called an Atlas soul. And so they, uh, play at the regatta bar. Um, maybe one maybe about. Two times a year or so. So that was my first experience at playing at the regatta bar.

[00:20:47] And then from there I was able to book my band. Um, and as a band leader, there’s a different mindset. You know what I mean? It’s like, uh, as a side, man, it’s like, you’re just decide, man. You can just, you know, you just need to just chill and hang out and you know, not have to worry about. You know, all the stuff that a bandleader has to worry about, which is, uh, you know, are all of your musicians.

[00:21:07] Okay. Is everybody happy? Does everybody sound okay? Does, you know, uh, make sure that everybody gets fed, make sure that everybody gets paid, made sure that again, everyone is happy. You know what I mean? Whereas a sighted man, you don’t have to worry about that. Somebody else gets to worry about that. So, uh, playing at the regatta bar. The first and second time, that’s always on my head. Oh, you know, it’s always in my head, it doesn’t matter where I’m playing. I always want to make sure that my bandmates are, you know, happy and fed and you know that they’re cool and enjoying themselves.

[00:21:39]Dane Reis: [00:21:39] yeah, right on. And let’s take a moment to talk about the present. What projects are you working on now? What are you looking forward to? And it’s a weird time, right? We are. It’s this global pandemic. How do you see the entertainment industry moving forward in the next couple of years?

[00:21:59]Zeke Martin: [00:21:59] wow. That’s like three questions with 14,000 answers. Um,

[00:22:03] Dane Reis: [00:22:03] I know, I know. I know.

[00:22:05]Zeke Martin: [00:22:05] Um, well, let’s start with, let’s start with present, like you said. Um, so, uh, I’m lucky, like I said, I’ve been teaching at Northeastern for 13 years, so I’m back at Northeastern, uh, this semester. Um, they have been amazing. They have their own testing site, so I get tested every week, which is great. Um, and all the students there get tested, you know, three times a week.

[00:22:24] If you’re on campus. and , uh, you know, it’s slow obviously, because, you know, like you said, we’re in a global pandemic, so, but I have some students, which is great. Um, so that’s nice to be back and being able to, you know, teach, uh, those, uh, students that are there. Um, I, you know, like I said, I do 200 shows a game a year, 200 gigs a year.

[00:22:41]Uh, usually, um, but right now I’m doing maybe about one, two. Two shows a month. Uh, usually I do 15 to 30. Uh, so, um, You know, it’s at least, um, you know, at least I’m kind of still out there and, you know, the comradery is the biggest part that I miss, uh, from doing shows. Um, and I’m doing some private, you know, teaching as well, zoom lessons, uh, I um, also teach, uh, at, uh, uh, music and arts, which is a, an affiliation with a guitar center.

[00:23:05]Um,  and, um, I’m also in the midst of doing something else it’s kind of on the down low. Well, I I’ll tell you, um, I’m also, uh, writing, uh, drum book, uh, which I’m super excited. Yes. I’m super, super excited about, um, I have, uh, a friend of mine, uh, that’s helping me out. Um, this guy named Sao Alamillo. Um, , um, so he’s helping me out actually, he lives in California, so it’s kind of cool that we’re, you know, talking on the phone and, you know, again, like, you know, you, you said you were down in Australia. Um, and so it’s like, technology is so amazing nowadays. I love it. Um, Uh, so yeah, so those are some of the things I’m working on a new CD.

[00:23:41]Um, and hopefully as soon as, uh, this global pandemic, you know, Gets a little bit better or goes away or they find a vaccine or whatever. We can kind of get back into the studio and record our eighth album. Um, I’m also doing another album with a really good friend of mine named Pat Loomis. Um, so yeah, I’m trying to stay as busy as I can during this time.

[00:24:01] And then, you know, On the other hand, I’m just hanging out with my kids and just, you know, enjoying my eight year old is doing flag football and he won his game today. So yes. So it’s a, you know, it’s going good.

[00:24:14] , uh, the industry is definitely going to change for sure. I mean, I think we’ll go back. Probably not until like 20, 21, 22, uh, get back to like, I guess, quote, unquote some type of normalcy.

[00:24:26]Um, but I think that, um, You know, like I just said the whole technology thing, um, I think that’s going to come into play a lot more and a lot bigger than it used to. Um, I think that, you know, especially now with zoom and all these different things, um, being able to, what’s amazing is like, okay, you have Sikh Martin professor, you know, Uh, drum teacher at Northeastern, well, he’s teaching in Japan today, you know, via zoom , you know, or he’s, you know, teaching in doing a class in Australia or, you know, that type of thing.

[00:24:56] I think that is going to be, um, a lot more, um, prominent when, uh, things start to when the dust settles and we’re able to kind of get back to, like I said, quote, unquote normalcy. Um, what’s kind of cool, uh, in this time is that, you know, the big arena stuff, that’s not going to be, be happening probably for another, you know, year and a half, maybe two years.

[00:25:19]and I think what’s kind of great about that is we’re kind of going back in time in a way we’re. The people that get to kind of thrive a little bit more are the jazz musicians, because the jazz musicians, you know, it’s like maybe three people, a Cortez, maybe five people playing for two, 250, maybe 300 people, you know, at different clubs and stuff like that.

[00:25:43]Um, and I think that, that for a bit, for a while, I think that’s going to thrive. You know, for a good amount of time. So I’m kind of looking forward to that, to kind of change everyone’s perspective and you know, a little bit view on music as well.

[00:25:57]Dane Reis: [00:25:57] Yeah. I’m inclined to agree with you on the smaller, the smaller productions in the jazz bands. Uh, I have a handful of friends out in Vegas and that’s what they’re booking right now is their band stuff. You know, setting them up in a lounge somewhere, somewhere on a stage, away from everyone, but people are still there, you know, having their cocktails or having some dinner.

[00:26:14] And it’s like you said, it’s going back to the roots.

[00:26:17] Zeke Martin: [00:26:17] Yeah. Yeah. Actually you have friends in Vegas, you mentioned Jason Langley. Uh, that’s a good friend of mine and he lives out in Vegas as well. So basically again, a bass player.

[00:26:27] Dane Reis: [00:26:27] Yeah, brilliant. Well,  and let’s move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease, a lightening round.

[00:26:39] Aye. Am going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible one after another.

[00:26:48] Are you ready?

[00:26:49]Zeke Martin: [00:26:49] Uh,

[00:26:49] Let’s go. Let’s do it. Let’s do it. I’m ready. I’m psyched. I got my jolt. I’m ready to go. Yeah. 

[00:26:55] Dane Reis: [00:26:55] All right. First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career in the entertainment industry?

[00:27:03]Zeke Martin: [00:27:03] Um, I was scared of failure.

[00:27:05]Dane Reis: [00:27:05] second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received?

[00:27:10]Zeke Martin: [00:27:10] Uh, like I said earlier, uh, the best piece of advice was from my mom. And that was be the best seek Martin that you can be.

[00:27:18]Dane Reis: [00:27:18] the third question. What is something that is working for you right now? Or if you’d like to go pre COVID, what was working for you before our industry went on? Pause.

[00:27:28]Zeke Martin: [00:27:28] Um, one of the things that people say about me is that I’m a big that I can hustle. Um, so I hustle, uh, I meet people and this kind of is like one of the things that I learned from a good friend of mine named Jason Langley. Um, and basically what it is, is it’s kind of like the three foot rule, anyone that you are around and, uh, Three foot radius, give him your card, get go-to, you know, Vista print.com or whatever, and get cards printed out and give them to anyone and everyone, uh, so that anyone and everyone knows who you are and what you do, uh, you know, in the music industry or, and in art and in any type of artistic industry.

[00:28:08]Um, and so that. People can say, Oh yeah. And put a picture on your card too. That helps really. It does, uh, of yourself obviously. Uh, and, uh, they’ll say cool. I remember that person. Let me call them cause I need a, whatever you do.

[00:28:22]Dane Reis: [00:28:22] . Great advice. And the fourth question, what is your best resource? Whether that is a book, a movie, maybe a YouTube video or podcast or piece of technology that you’ve found is helping your career right now.

[00:28:37]Zeke Martin: [00:28:37] a resource. Man. Um, the internet is amazing. I find it so helpful, but also not at the same time. Um, you know, it’s, , uh, it’s, it’s one of those double-edged swords. It really is. Um, YouTube is great,  uh, you know, you can find out. Anything and, you know, learn everything. Um, but also, you know, you also got to remember to go to shows and support your local, regional, national, whatever, uh, artists.

[00:29:02]Um, so I would say definitely the internet is a great, amazing tool, uh, that you need to make sure that you use wisely. Um, as well as social media, uh, don’t get caught up in all the. Bureaucratic stuff that goes on with social media. You know, if you’re in the entertainment industry, uh, use it for that, use it to get your name out, use it, uh, to, uh, get, uh, whatever you do, whether it’s art or music or anything like that, or dance or anything put up videos.

[00:29:34] And you never know who’s going to see you or what’s going to happen or. You know, just get it all out there and get all that content out there and, you know, show yourself off and don’t be afraid to, you know, but also, you know, at the same time, be as humble as possible and, and just say, Hey, this is me, you know, because what’s great about that is that, and this is something that I learned is that, you’re not going to be able to please everyone and that’s okay, but you know what.

[00:30:02] There are people that are out there that are going to like what you do. , you know, we’re what are we? 7.5 billion people. There’s no way that all 7.5 billion people in this wonderful, amazing world that is out there does not like what you do. You’re going to find a niche. You just got to find it.

[00:30:20] That’s all.

[00:30:21]Dane Reis: [00:30:21] Yeah, killer advice. And the fifth question, if you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in this industry, what would you do or not do? Would you do anything differently or would you keep it the same?

[00:30:40]Zeke Martin: [00:30:40] I think I would do some things differently for sure. I got a really late start in life. Um, as far as. Saying, you know, I want to be a musician. I kind of started more like when I was 18 and I’ve been on my own since I was 18. So it was, I’d find a job. I had to find a place to live. Um, you know, and all that stuff kind of, you know, it gets piled on top of each other.

[00:31:00] And like I was living in New York and I had my drum set there and I never even touched it because I didn’t have time. So if you are young and you, you know, Before you have to be on your own. And you know, if you have the ability to. You know, have time to practice, practice as much as possible. And like I said, with the other question, get your name out there as much as possible, go meet anyone and everyone that has to deal with your industry, get business cards and pass them, pass them out to everyone, uh, get on social media, um, make friends, meet people, you know, uh, One of the things for musicians go to Nam, uh, which is national association of music, merchants.

[00:31:41]Um, and there’s one in Nashville, which is the summer Nam and one in Anaheim, California, which is the winter Nam. And it’s a great place to meet like-minded people and meet your peers and meet your idols and so on and so forth and ask advice. You know, you can’t go wrong with asking questions. You really can’t.

[00:32:01]Dane Reis: [00:32:01] greed. So good. Thank you for those resources. And the last question, what is the golden nugget knowledge drop you’ve learned from your successful career in this industry that you’d like to leave with everyone?

[00:32:17]Zeke Martin: [00:32:17] ah, this is, this is a good one. in this industry, um, in my, and in my case, the music, a good friend of mine told me, be approachable. That’s pretty much it. You know what I mean? It’s like you, if you are a touring musician or just, it doesn’t matter whether you’re a touring musician or not, if you’re a local musician, uh, you know, national, international, whatever, it doesn’t matter what.

[00:32:41] Be approachable. Be nice. Be kind because honestly, most people don’t want to have to deal with the jerk. They want to have to deal with the nice friendly, you know, Person that they like to hang out with. Uh, there’s a reason why certain people work as much as they do because they’re nice people.

[00:33:01] Yeah. There are some people who are jerks and, you know, they still work a lot and you know, that’s okay because they’re amazing musicians. And, you know, they’ll put up with, you know, there’s stuff. But for the most part, most of the people that get the callbacks and that are working a lot. other nice people, you know, the nice musicians that are, you know, fun to hang out with that are, like I said, approachable that, uh, don’t give, you know, too much trouble, you know, especially  like, if you’re a touring musician you’re on the road for a year with the same people in a van or a bus or whatever the means of transportation is.

[00:33:37] You want to make sure that you guys, that everybody gets along, you know what I mean? Men, women, whatever, the whole crew, you want to make sure that you get along. And, uh, that’s a really big part. So if you don’t get along, it’s not going to work. So yeah. Be approachable and have fun. Most important, have fun.

[00:33:54] If it’s not fun, then don’t do it. Just have fun and enjoy yourself and, wake up every morning saying, wow, I get to. Play music for a living. This is great. I’ll take it.

[00:34:04]Dane Reis: [00:34:04] Yeah, for sure. I’m so glad that you brought up, you know, being approachable and simply being nice to everyone. That’s what is, so  important about this podcast as a resource for musicians and aspiring entertainers or current professional entertainers, because. That idea of being nice and approachable to people has come up again and again and again, and it’s quite clear that it is a fundamental tool or aspect of having and creating a successful career in this industry.

[00:34:37] So something to be paying attention to. And that’s, what’s great about this podcast is that because we have the same questions, people answering all the same questions differently, right? It’s. We really start discovering how to create successful careers out of this industry. So thank you for bringing that up.

[00:34:54] Zeke Martin: [00:34:54] Oh, no problem. Yeah. It’s uh, you know, it’s funny because the thing about it is like, you feel like, well, that’s common sense, duh, of course everyone has bad days. It’s a given, you know, everyone has bad days. But it’s how you turn it around. It’s, you know, do you have more bad days than good days then you gotta look at yourself.

[00:35:11] You know what I mean? Uh, hopefully have more good days than bad days. Um, but yeah, it’s, it’s being friendly and kind, and don’t be a jerk, you know what I mean? It’s like be nice and be kind and you know, everyone, you know, everyone knows what you do. If you’re, if you’re a good musician, You know, you’re a good musician.

[00:35:26] Everybody knows what you do. You don’t have to like keep proving yourself or he’s Oh, look at me, check me out. And you don’t need that. You just, just play, just play, enjoy yourself, have fun and enjoy the time that you got on this earth to do something that you love to do.

[00:35:42]Dane Reis: [00:35:42] Yeah, absolutely. And to wrap up this interview, Zeke, it is time to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? Is there anything you want to promote?

[00:35:56]Zeke Martin: [00:35:56] Uh, yes. So, uh, you can find my website, uh, which is, uh, www dot Zeke, martin.com, which is Z E K E M a R T I n.com. Uh, like I said before, I’m all over social media. So if you just put in seek Martin, uh, on Facebook, um, I’m the bald guy with the, with the facial hair. Um, And, uh, Instagram and Twitter, uh, both is Z, Z Martin.

[00:36:20]Uh, Spotify is Martin and the Oracle. Uh, let’s see, what else? Oh, man. I don’t know. Uh, all kinds of stuff. Oh, uh, YouTube, just put in Zeke Martin and the Oracle, um, right there as well. So yeah, all over the internet. And just like I said, look for the bald guy.

[00:36:36]Dane Reis: [00:36:36] Okay, brilliant. And for everyone listening out there, I have put the links to everything. Zeke just mentioned into the description of this episodes. You can easily connect with him and check him out and also be sure to share this podcast with your fellow entertainers. Coaches teachers or anyone that, you know, you know, who’s aspiring to create a career in this industry.

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[00:37:19] So you don’t miss tomorrow’s Zeke. It has been such a pleasure to have you on today. Thank you so much for 

[00:37:25] Zeke Martin: [00:37:25] Oh, Dane, Dane, Dane. It’s been my pleasure. I’m  thank you so much. I really, really appreciate having me on the show.

[00:37:30]Um, yeah, definitely two thumbs up.

[00:37:34] Dane Reis: [00:37:34] Brilliant. Thanks.