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EP 147: Marco Santos (autogenerated)
[00:00:00] Dane Reis: [00:00:00] you booked it. Episode 147. Okay, let’s get started. I am excited to introduce my guest today. Marco Santos. Are you ready for this Marco?
[00:00:17] Marco Santos: [00:00:17] do it. I’m ready
[00:00:18] for you buckets.
[00:00:20] Dane Reis: [00:00:20] Yes. Marco is a percussionist, drummer and composer having his base between Holland and Portugal, traveling all over the world to perform and teach. He presents himself as a musician slash composer, freelancer working with several projects in various styles, sharing his deep devotion and passion for music.
[00:00:40] He did his first bachelor in classical percussion in Lisbon high school of music. After a few years, working in Portugal with several projects, songwriters and teaching, you went to Holland where he did his second bachelor in jazz drums at the Royal conservatory of Dan hag and his masters in renowned international Academy of Rotterdam on the field of of word, music, composition, percussion and drums, , since he’s been living in Holland, he has been successful playing and working and traveling as a freelancer with many different musicians and projects, approaching many musical styles where he won some jazz competitions and nominations, besides working with several renowned artists in different fields,
[00:01:24] he’s been focused on his own music, releasing a few albums and composing music with collaborators and other artists, such as dancers, actors, and musicians. He’s also the founder of the United art movement creating an annual event. Since 2015 with the main purpose of promoting the union of various forms of art into one single stage and thus to praise art as the best tool to unify people, Marco, that is a quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done, but why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself, filling the gaps and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry.
[00:02:06]Marco Santos: [00:02:06] Hey, thank you so much. First of all, to. And invite me to be here to be part of this.
Um, yeah. Am I, am I a, I’m a devoted person. Hmm. Art. I always been very sensitive to the art worlds, especially music, but as well, more than, than since theater, et cetera. And. My life has been very much within the music scene.
[00:02:31]Been working with many different artists from different disciplines, from jazz to world music, composing music for modern dance for theater. And my base has been for the last 13 years between Lisbon
and, and, and then egg, mostly Portugal in Holland. And, uh, All this traveling back and forth and traveling around Europe sometimes too, to a lot to Africa, Brazil, Russia, et cetera.
[00:02:56] I’ve been playing with a lot of different artists and as well, I have my own projects,
um, where I have my albums, my own albums as a jazz in the jazz field or more than music. And. What do we do as a professional in the entertainment industry? Uh, I have to say something about that, which is for me, um, there’s two kinds of music or art.
[00:03:21] That’s the way I feel it. There’s art or music as an, as for entertainment. And there is music. For art itself. So it’s not just to entertain people, but yeah. Also for people
to, to trigger people, to instigate people. And I think, I think there, there is where I fit better myself. I’ve been in the two worlds, I should say.
[00:03:44] I’ve been playing a lot
in the, in the world music scene, Brazilian music or African music where you play two hours and you have 300 people dancing in front of you. This is lovely, and this is amazing. It’s a beautiful energy and this, we call entertainment, but I also have been playing a lot in the concert hall where everyone just sits down and they don’t, I have to dance.
[00:04:07] They don’t have to do nothing else. Yeah. And to appreciate, and really, listen and at themselves, Be taken by the art by music or whatever our discipline it is. And that’s where
I, I make this small, uh, difference between entertainment, arts, or art as an arts itself. I don’t know how to put it in other words, but I think you will know what I mean.
[00:04:31]Dane Reis: [00:04:31] Yes. Yes I do. And you’re right. There are very two very different mediums and they both have so much to offer. I love how you made that. I love that you’ve made that distinction and let’s move into this first section here. And Marco, look, I am a sucker for a good quote. What is your favorite quote? You’d like to share with everyone?
[00:04:54]Marco Santos: [00:04:54] Yeah. There’s a quote.
I’ve been, I’ve been. It’s been with me for years. And as a way of living for me, she’s there is no perfection, but affection actually is in my file on Instagram and has been on my profile in many places for years. It’s something I wrote because I believe that perfection is something that we just love. And then becomes perfect. And so this, this also represents the fact that there’s no rules, there’s no rules on, on our, there is no rules on something in the creative process, in a creative world. It should be there trust believe, and live, and then becomes perfect.
[00:05:38]Dane Reis: [00:05:38] Yes. I really love that. That taken insight on that. And. Let’s dig into this section here. And Marco, of course you are, or a professional in the entertainment industry. I’m a professional in the entertainment industry. And I think that you’d agree that this industry can be one of the most subjective, brutally, honest and personally emotional industries in existence.
[00:06:04] And you know,
you know, as well as I. But in order to create and have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now, it takes a lot of dedication and hard work. And while yeah, there’s an outrageous amount of fun and excitement and fulfillment doing what we do. There are also our fair share of obstacles and challenges and failures, we are going to experience and we’re going to have to move forward through.
[00:06:30] So tell us, what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out the other side better because of it?
[00:06:39]Marco Santos: [00:06:39] Key challenge or obstacle or failure that you experienced in your career? Yeah. Okay.
Uh, there is, there has been always a. Challenge in my career and failures as well and obstacles, and I think they are extremely necessary. I have to say. And actually without them, we don’t know the boundaries and we don’t trigger ourselves to improve.
for me, for me, it’s very important to have them. And I, I did best to a lot of them in many different ways, starting by deciding to be a musician. When I come from a very rural family family from the countryside of Portugal, and that was already a bit of a challenge to, to prove myself to be a musician and artists and, and through the career, many others like changing from, from Portugal to Hollands to start a new, a new base and all in from scratch.
[00:07:32]There was a lot of obstacles as well. and I think one of the biggest challenge for me was the fact that because I’ve been always very versatile or I always if been connected with different disciplines, so I easily play ever jazz gig. Yeah. The same day either they have to have a Brazilian gig or.
[00:07:54]The weekend after I am doing a modern, yes. Asked music, et cetera. For some time I had a struggle to really find myself where I am, who I am when I’m doing so many different things. And,
uh, this, this was quite a challenge I have to say. But two through the last five, four or five years, I’ve been just, you know, it’s a matter of accepting, accepting who I am accepting.
[00:08:16] The fact that
I, I cannot be just. I don’t know how to say, but it’s, it’s like if I can’t make a product of mine, that’s reaches all the tools I have, but I have many different products. That’s. Can show many personalities of myself somehow anyway, and I think through accepting and through, through the learning ourselves too, to go through different experience, make that for me, helped me to just accept and, uh, and trigger myself to develop more and to do more, et cetera.
[00:08:50] I don’t know if I’m answering your question,
[00:08:52] Dane Reis: [00:08:52] Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because you’re right. All of us have multiple skill sets.
Right. We all have. a passion to do different things. You don’t just have to play jazz. You don’t just have to play classical music or funk music, or be a ballerina. You can love multiple things and you can explore all of those and create your own definition of who you are.
[00:09:16] Marco Santos: [00:09:16] Yeah, but
within, within the system you leave nowadays can be very difficult. I can tell you I’ve been, I’ve been confronted with that the last, even the last months, because. You know, it’s, the system requires you to, it’ll be within a certain label within, within a certain box. And then, uh, if you do a novel where you, which is in the jazz label, and actually she became well known in that label.
[00:09:41] If suddenly you
come, come out with another album, something else experimental or, or whatever, or world music. it can be difficult for the media, for the promoters, for the promotion too, put you in a place where yeah, it’s just, this is something that the system is not very well at that. Anyway, this is the difficulty I find in finding myself within the system.
[00:10:05] Let’s say,
[00:10:06]Dane Reis: [00:10:06]
Agreed agreed. Yeah. The society and likes to pigeonhole us or put us in boxes. And the same thing, same thing happens because my wheelhouse is live performance, live mic, musical theater, singing, dancing, acting, and. Same thing. You get pigeonholed for what people see your previous body of work being, but it is certainly a challenge that we’re always up against.
[00:10:30] But I think the important part is to keep doing what fulfills you as well, and figure out how to best navigate that for yourself. Cause everyone has a different situation.
[00:10:39] Marco Santos: [00:10:39] for sure. For sure.
[00:10:41] Dane Reis: [00:10:41] Yeah. And let’s move on to a time that I like to call your spotlight moment. that one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be an entertainer for a living or maybe it was, yes.
[00:10:58] This is what I need to be doing in the entertainment and arts industry.
[00:11:02]Marco Santos: [00:11:02] Yeah.
Uh, when you asked me this, um, for sure, I have to mention what I just mentioned before. Um, first of all, I realized that, um, I find myself being a better person, devoting myself, uh, to music or to art because music has always had a strong impact on me since, since I remember. And, um, So I’ve been growing to that state of being, which saved how I approach life, uh, with, within the musical surroundings.
[00:11:30]And of course, there’s. Yes, bill has been building me for sure, to be stronger. And I, as a, I cannot separate me as a person, me as a musician. So I have to say that for me, choosing to be a musician was also a way to realize that was a, was the best way to give my best to the world as a person. And that, and I have to mention the facts, as I said, that’s,
um, Within that, where I find myself better to the world or my giving, my best is also a bit, not as a 10, let’s put it like that, this, but as a, as a, a L a love for arts as art that can trigger people and not just give a.
[00:12:14]and a fun entertainment moment to people, which is also nice, but I believe that we are living in the period that they so many,
uh, so much entertainment around us. So much, three girls, so much gain so much. So many information around it that take us from the core, take us from what is actually really important.
[00:12:42] And we became very occupied with entertainment here and entertainment. They are going this game debt game. We miss ms. Confused,
uh, uh, happiness with pleasure, which are two different things. Et cetera. This could be another conversation. So that’s
[00:13:00]Dane Reis: [00:13:00] For
[00:13:00] Marco Santos: [00:13:00] that’s why I mentioned not as an entertainment, but because I believe that art is something art.
[00:13:08] It can be something more than entertainment for me. Anyway.
[00:13:12]Dane Reis: [00:13:12] yes, for sure. And let’s piggyback on that real quick and talk about your number one. Booked it moment. Walk us through that day, the auditions and call backs. If that happened to be part of your world, what was going on in your life. And what about that moment makes it your favorite book? That moment?
[00:13:37]Marco Santos: [00:13:37] I think I will say that’s. My book is moment was. Probably my last album, odd portraits. He became one of the top 10 jazz. I was in Portugal in 2014 minutes and it was quite well received in Holland, in Germany, at swell. And because of that, I was able to travel to many different countries, playing my own music and that’s, for me, it was actually the most,
uh, uh, feeling my soul.
[00:14:07] Book it’s moment I ever hit.
[00:14:09]Dane Reis: [00:14:09] Aw, so good. It must be so validating to travel into tour and to share your
[00:14:15] music, what you created. Wow. So cool. And let’s take a moment to talk about the present. What projects are you working on now? What are you looking forward to? And it’s
kind of a weird time. We’re amidst this global pandemic. How do you see this industry moving forward in the next couple of years?
[00:14:36]Marco Santos: [00:14:36] Yeah, it’s some unpredictable. I have to say. I think it’s, everything is a bit unstable. I think the best is that we focus day by day, to be honest. But I have to say that since the Corona, since the outbreak,
um, For me has been just great. I have to say I had a lot of concerts and festivals and tours that got council where I was just being aside musician with some famous artists and all that got canceled.
[00:15:01] So some suddenly I had all this time for myself, which was amazing because of course in the beginning it was a shock, but afterwards I started realizing it was amazing because finally I could have some time to. To put into my own compositions to do my own ideas, et cetera, and actually see because of their, through the last months, I just record a new album.
[00:15:22] That’s coming out in the beginning of 2021 in March,
um, which is a, an album that has around 25 artists. Uh, in collaboration and seven compositions of mine, each song has one different guests and then his song as a visual artist, making a video clip for each song, et cetera. And it was a whole project made during this outbreak periods, collaborating with different artists from different parts of the world.
[00:15:51] And I’m quite happy with that. And beside that I have,
um, a new album. To required as well, which is the going through the same direction of my previous jazz album, because the album I was talking right now, it’s called vocations. And it’s an album where I’m only playing piano, actually, when I’m actually, my main instrument is drums percussion.
[00:16:11]I always have been composing on the piano. And so I had this bunch of compositions that I was initially planning, thinking to invite a piano player to play them, but actually. As being my own compositions, the best person to, that could put the right emotion on it. Maybe can be me.
I mean, so I just put that challenge to require them, myself, invite some great incisions to be part of it.
um, Yeah. So this is one of the projects then, then the next year Sabo. It’s also on the way, basically in general, I can say that since Corona came, I’ve been way more sharp and focused on my own music and that’s has been very inspiring and positive for me.
[00:16:58]Dane Reis: [00:16:58] Yeah, that’s so great to hear. And I think that sentiment has been, felt a lot by a lot of artists throughout this entire industry, because you’re right at the beginning, we all were like, what is going on? All of our income, everything has gone away, but yeah, once we’ve had that moment to set in, it’s been really fantastic.
[00:17:19] Hasn’t it, to be more introspective, to sit in, spend time with ourselves, because I don’t know about you, but life was busy. Life was kind of go, go,
kind of go, go, go, always had another project to do something somewhere. And there wasn’t a lot of time being spent on myself. And throughout this time we’ve had a lot more of that.
[00:17:39] And I think it’s been. Quite a blessing in disguise.
[00:17:42] Marco Santos: [00:17:42] Yeah, that’s very true. Very right. What you’re saying. And I really feel that same. I also,
like, I also like to draw and to write, and in the beginning of the lockdown, which I spent in Portugal, I had time to do things that I didn’t do for 15 years, for instance. And it was amazing.
[00:18:01]Dane Reis: [00:18:01] Yeah, absolutely. And it is time to move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightening round. I am going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible one after another. Are you ready?
[00:18:22]All right. First question.
[00:18:23] What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career as an entertainer? Second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received?
[00:18:35] Marco Santos: [00:18:35] To embrace what you believe and to put everything you are in a small thing, you do.
[00:18:39]Dane Reis: [00:18:39] wonderful. The third question. , what is something that is working for you right now? Or if you’d like to go pre COVID, what was working for you before our industry went on? Pause.
[00:18:51]Marco Santos: [00:18:51] Yeah, buy right now is trust, really trust on yourself, trust in ourselves and believe on what you do and be devoted to it.
[00:19:01]Dane Reis: [00:19:01] Great. And the fourth question, what is it your best resource? Whether that is a book, a movie, a YouTube video, maybe a podcast or a piece of technology you found is helping your career right now.
[00:19:14]Marco Santos: [00:19:14]
Uh, I always like to see videos, videos of great creations. I like, I love to see more than downs from crystal. Buy it from, but if. Or had an idea and they don’t, it’s not yet. I like, I live to see creations by great movie makers or XE cDNA, for instance, this Polish movie maker, et cetera, all those Arts actually quite old arts already.
[00:19:39] That’s not seen as much. But all those different disciplines of art actually can trigger me and inspire me a lot to do music. So it’s not what I’m trying to say is that I always, I don’t go always to music to get my expression, to make music. Most of the times I go toward other art disciplines that trigger me a lot.
[00:20:02]Dane Reis: [00:20:02] Oh, that’s so great. And so interesting. And the fifth question, if you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in this industry, what would you do or not do? Would you do anything differently or would you keep it the same?
[00:20:22]Marco Santos: [00:20:22] Yeah. It’s like supposing rights, but yeah,
I probably, I probably not do so much school life to say.
[00:20:29]Dane Reis: [00:20:29] Yeah.
[00:20:30] Marco Santos: [00:20:30] Yes. I think if I would keep the same knowledge I have now,
I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t do so, so much school.
[00:20:37]Dane Reis: [00:20:37] And the last question, what is the golden nugget knowledge drop you’ve learned from your successful career in this industry? You’d like to leave with our listeners.
[00:20:47] Marco Santos: [00:20:47] Yes, for sure. To follow your own intuition to not feel scare by not following the system, that to follow the joy of doing what you love and sharing it.
[00:21:01]Dane Reis: [00:21:01] That is incredible. Insight for everybody out there. Thank you for that. And to wrap up this interview, Marco, it is time to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? Is there anything you want to promote?
[00:21:18]Marco Santos: [00:21:18] So everyone, I, of course, I’m happy that everyone gets to know my music. You can find it on Spotify, on YouTube, on any digital platform,
uh, within my name Monaco centers. And, um, as well as this woman, there is a crowdfunding campaign for the vinyl of the, this new album and vocations.
um, everyone is very. Welcome to helping contributes so that we can make a few thousand copies of this album notifications on vinyl and be possible to share through the world.
[00:21:52]Dane Reis: [00:21:52] Beautiful. And for everyone listening, you can connect with the crowdfunding at you.
[00:21:59] Booked it. podcast.com forward slash Marco’s. You can learn more about the invocations album. and I’ve also put all of the links to what Marco just said into the description of this episode. So you can easily connect with him and be sure to share this podcast with your fellow entertainers, coaches, art and entertainment educators, and anyone, you know,
you know, aspiring to create a career in this.
[00:22:27] Industry you booked. It is the number one resource of expertise on how to actually create a successful entertainment career. Marco. It has been so wonderful to have you on today. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing
[00:22:41] Marco Santos: [00:22:41] then thank you so much, then it was my pleasure.