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EP 165: Brendon Hansford (autogenerated)

Dane Reis: [00:00:00] you booked it. Episode 165. Okay, let’s get started. I am excited to introduce my guest today. Brendan Hansford. Are you ready for this Brendan? 

[00:00:17]Brendon Hansford: [00:00:17] Hey, buddy. Yeah, definitely. Ready.

[00:00:20]Dane Reis: [00:00:20] All right. Brendan is one of the world’s leading choreographers and movement directors. He has been hired to do choreography and movement for artists, such as a Sam Smith, rod Stewart Normani and Rick Astley. He prides himself on being able to really understand the director’s vision and bring it. To life Brendan has trained in and is able to choreograph in a number of different styles from hip hop to ballet.

[00:00:45] He is literally your one-stop shop for anything, dance based. Brendan. That is a quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done. But why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself, fill in the gaps and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry.

[00:01:04]Brendon Hansford: [00:01:04] Well, Well, thank you so much for the interview, buddy. I’m so weird hearing your own bias back to yourself, but yeah, so I’m, I’m a choreographer director full time. Um, I’m also a director as well, so I’m trying to push more into directing side of things now and really focus on teaching myself within the dance world.

[00:01:21]Fill in the gap. So on top of that, I’m also a photographer videographer. I run a talent agency, a production company, a clothing brand, and also I’m opening an events

[00:01:30] Dane Reis: [00:01:30] Oh, wow.

[00:01:31] Brendon Hansford: [00:01:31] So I’m a little bit of a workaholic just to say the least, but yeah, it’s, I don’t, you know, my, I didn’t thought dancing probably by 1819, and I started pretty late, uh, for dancers in the world of dance.

[00:01:42] Should we say, and just kind of fell in love with it and just. Didn’t stop. To be honest, it just kept going and going. And I was a dancer for about. Eight nine years. Um, and then I had a crazy injury, which took me out and I decided to turn out to be a choreographer. And I still say to this day, that the weird thing is, I didn’t think my career started until I became a carb, but I was always a creative.

[00:02:02] I was always creating things. You know, I was always choreographing running dance companies. So it kind of seemed like the natural fit.  And I was, I was very lucky to get onto an agency called love, Rudy who are absolute, incredible run by a guy called Stuart Bishop. And, um, he kind of took me under his wing, mentored me and.

[00:02:16]You know, it kind of rests happened after that. And that’s been a bit of a whirlwind and, you know, I love what I do and I, I kind of just don’t stop.

[00:02:24]Dane Reis: [00:02:24] brilliant. I also didn’t start performing and dancing, singing all of that till I was about 17 and a half, 18 years old. So I’m right there with you.

[00:02:34]Brendon Hansford: [00:02:34] Well, it’s funny, isn’t it? Because as a young young age, I grew up in a little country town and it was a very narrow-minded town and I already studied off and fashion. And so already I would stigmatize the bullied a little bit, uh, for that. So, you know, I imagine if I was still in that country town and I came out, Hey, I’m a dancer.

[00:02:50]Um, I actually moved away from the country town to London, the big city when I was like 16 and you know, probably the best move I ever made because I I’m sure, you know, you know, living in a city of post to a very rural country town. It’s a whole different story and people just don’t care. What you do. They just let me do it.

[00:03:06]Dane Reis: [00:03:06] . Hundred per cent. And let’s move on to this first section here and Brendan, look, I am a sucker for a good quote. What is your favorite quote? You’d like to share with everyone

[00:03:19]Brendon Hansford: [00:03:19] Oh, I have a few. So I’m going to give you my two favorite. Okay. So my first one is stay true to yourself and other than the rest of that, um, and my other one is make as many mistakes as possible because you’ll learn faster.

[00:03:29]Dane Reis: [00:03:29] Oh, it was both really great quotes. And can you expand on both of them a little bit on how they’ve worked their way into your career?

[00:03:39]Brendon Hansford: [00:03:39] Yeah, for sure. Um, well the, the state treat yourself is, you know, I know your goals and your passions know what you want to do and stick to that, you know, you know, niche yourself, I suppose, if you wanted to take it into the business sense and. Really get laser focused on what you want to do, stay true to what you do and others, meaning, respect others.

[00:03:56] Be humble, be nice. Yeah. The rest will follow. As long as you set those rules, it might not happen overnight. Um, but by sticking to those rules, you will bump into the right people. You will find people who are on a similar wavelength, roasting the vibration, and we’ll definitely want to help you. And then you can have them back when.

[00:04:16] You get to a place and make the stakes. Now I think this is really limited to the dance world because the only way to improve as a dancer is to make mistakes. It’s impossible not to improve. I’m making mistakes know because when, when I, when you were training back in the day, you know, you would go to the studio and you would fail and you would fail and you would fail and you were failing and then you get it right.

[00:04:36]Because each time you felt you learned from it and you were like, Oh, I didn’t do that. Or I didn’t do that. So I had to hold my shoulders back core more. And so, you know, I’ve learned by the, just do it one, that’s a great thing because it puts you in action. And as you probably know, you know, the only way to achieve things is to take action.

[00:04:52] So by being an action, you’re doing stuff. Okay. You’re making mistakes here and there, but you go, well, that didn’t work. Let me try it this way. Obviously, there are, there are points of things you can’t make mistakes on, you know, like we’re millions of pounds on the line, but you know, do it beforehand, partic stuff, uh, run drills, uh, run a Reckie, you know, do, do as much as you can beforehand to make those mistakes before you get to those big days on shoots and stuff like that.

[00:05:10] But yeah, uh, make it many mistakes as possible and you will learn. 

[00:05:14]Dane Reis: [00:05:14] Absolutely. I think sometimes, especially when people get to training programs, especially if you were to go to say a performing arts training program, that’s sometimes you feel a lot of pressure of that school or your training is a performance and it’s not, it is really there for you to fail and do try things.

[00:05:34] And that’s why you’re there, right? You’re not in the real world yet in those scenarios. And I think sometimes as students, uh, We can lose sight of that occasionally, but to always stay focused on the fact that, Hey, you’re there to train, you’re there to improve your skills. So this is the time to fail.

[00:05:50]Brendon Hansford: [00:05:50] Completely. And you’ve caught me on quite a passionate subject to mine is education. You know, I run a youth dance company. I teach classes in London at base. She does on pineapple dot studios and, um, There’s a lot of things I’ve seen change over the last 17 years I’ve been in this industry is one people come to class like it’s a performance now they don’t come to train anymore.

[00:06:08]You know, they all want that Instagram video. They want that social content that they can put out and boost their popularity online, which is great. Don’t get me wrong. You know, and someone like myself, who’s got a big following. I don’t want be too hypocritical here, but, you know, go to train and then colleges.

[00:06:22]Um, I don’t know what it’s like over there, but in England, in my opinion. Um, so this is not facts. It’s my opinion is that a lot of them are quite out of date with what’s really going on in the world right now. And these, these poor students come out and graduates come out and speak to people like me and they just, they don’t know how to find work.

[00:06:37] They know how to dance. They’ve been trained to dance, which is great. But the world’s completely changed. You can’t show it with your CV and your photo anymore. You have to have a background, you have to have a social presence and you have to have a website pitch with video, all these brand new aspects and entrepreneurial aspects that are so key these days to get ahead of the thousands of people that are dancing, you know, that it’s just not being taught.

[00:06:58] And then on another subject behind that, the educational side is you’re right. There’s so much pressure. At college to be the best in the college and the scary thing that doesn’t even match up to the pressure that you’re going to get in an audition in the real world. So it’s like a slap in the face when you come out and, you know, getting rejection probably identifies 50 times in a month and only getting one job.

[00:07:19] That can do a lot of damage to people’s mental health. And I, and I just don’t think students and graduates are prepared enough that the early levels of education to accept that rejection and really deal with that rejection and kind of grow thick skin. Should we say before they’re released into the world, it’s almost like, you know, like, you know, happy clappy, let’s go to college and it starts, yay.

[00:07:38] I graduate. And then God, what do I do now? I thought I just applied to an agent and they take me. Uh, so yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s quite a passionate subject to mine. I’ve actually got a documentary out called building adapter on iTunes, Amazon, Google play, and it’s all about taking one dance. It was an incredible dancer, but just didn’t have that break.

[00:07:55] Couldn’t quite get a step up in industry. And I gave her all the branding skills she needed on entrepreneurial skills and networking skills. She needs to get a little bit over needed. And it’s funny because it took a month and about 2000 pounds. To brand, her prepare her and then she hasn’t stopped working since, and she was ready to give up and pack it all in or because she wasn’t taught these skills and it’s scary.

[00:08:16] Cause it took a month. You’re at dance school for three years. So yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s a big passion of mine and I’m already looking for the follow-up documentary. So yeah.

[00:08:26]Dane Reis: [00:08:26] Oh, brilliant. I’m so glad that you, uh, talked about that and hit on that because that’s a big reason why I even started this podcast in the first place was to have the discussions about how the stuff that actually creates. A long-term career in this industry, because just having the skill set, that’s just your, that’s just your jumping off point, right?

[00:08:48] Once you get into the professional world, everybody can dance. Everybody can act, everybody can sing. That’s just the baseline that gets you into the room. Right. And it’s all the other things that surround that from, like you said, the entrepreneurial things, the business side of things, the branding sides of things that are so important.

[00:09:06]Uh, an integral in today’s world to make this career work for you.

[00:09:10]Brendon Hansford: [00:09:10] Yeah, exactly. And, you know, especially with the time moon right now with COVID like, Raging at the world, you know, it’s, you’re not even getting in the room anymore. So, um, I’ve run into, as I told you, and, you know, I give a lot of advice to the people that we bring on and there’s a lot of people we can’t take on who are amazing dancers because they haven’t quite got the right branding.

[00:09:26] So basically photos, video, maybe website, if they can afford it. And what I try and get in their heads is stop listening to what they told you at college, you must have a showroom, you must have a pitcher. You know, it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t matter what it looks like. Just have one. Well, no, that’s actually really bad advice because there’s so give you an example.

[00:09:43] We put out a job we’re looking for at four people for a commercial, what was filming. And we had about 800 applicants and we couldn’t see them because they’re in COVID times. I know. And it’s, it’s, it’s crazy. So that’s 800 people I have to sort within two or three hours and that’s, we’ve asked them to send a photo in a showroom.

[00:10:01]So obviously the first thing you do is you, you look straight in the photo, do they fit the brief? Yes. And then cut that down and save got rid of half. You’ve got 400, right. Let’s go back through. Okay. Does she look right? Or he look right for the part? Great. Let’s look at the showroom. Now, if the showroom is bad and it’s, you know, filled the first 10 seconds with their name or the first 20 seconds with the pictures, I’ve already seen an email I’ve already gone off it.

[00:10:22] Cause I haven’t got time. It doesn’t matter how good you are. If you haven’t put the right thing in front of me to grab me. And this is one of my biggest things. Being a director, especially is. Dances. Um, well, not all dancers for a lot of dancers don’t have the information to go… I shouldn’t be thinking about, I’ve got to have this stuff.

[00:10:38] I should be thinking about the things that are going to get me declined. So having a, just having a showreel that’s full of class footage is really bad grade, lots of grey, square portrait that’s cool. Whatever you want to call it is bad because it’s going to get you taken off the list. Whereas, if you had no showreel, there’s no reason to take her up for this.

[00:10:56] I’ve just seen your amazing photos. Okay. They’re amazing. She’s got my show, but she thought it was great. We’ll keep her on rather than, Oh, we amazing photos. And then they look at the video and go, Oh, that’s terrible. Get rid of it. Because when it comes down to it, it’s really looking for poor people. And I’ve got to say, I’ve spent two hours getting down to a hundred people and 

[00:11:14] then I’m genuinely just looking for reasons to get rid of people.

[00:11:18]So I’m not going, who do I like the most anymore? I’m going, who has got a fault somewhere who showrooms bad, who hasn’t put time, who hasn’t signed their email of property of a nice signature, who hasn’t given the correct details that we’ve asked for. So if it becomes a flip game where you start looking for reasons to get rid of people, rather than looking for reasons to keep people.

[00:11:38]And that’s where I think dancers need to really understand the side of branding is you’re better off having nothing. To get yourself rejected from the job. 

[00:11:47] makes sense. 

[00:11:48]Dane Reis: [00:11:48] absolutely. Thank you so much for that. And everyone listening, please go back and listen to that. Again, and let’s move on to this next section here. And Brendan, of course you are an entertainer, I’m an entertainer. And I think that you’d agree that this industry can be one of the most subjective, brutally, honest, personally, emotional industries in existence.

[00:12:11] And you know, you know, as well as I, that in order to create and have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now, it takes a lot. Of dedication and hard work. And while, yeah, there’s an outrageous amount of fun and excitement doing what we do. There are also our fair share of obstacles, challenges, and failures.

[00:12:30] We are going to experience and we’re going to have to move forward through. So tell us, what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out the other side better because of it.

[00:12:44]Brendon Hansford: [00:12:44] That’s actually a really, really, really good question because a lot of people would turn around and say, you know, the rejection, that, that side of things. But for me, it’s, it’s people. Um, it’s really, this is, it’s quite a negative thing to say, but it’s really hard to know who to trust and, you know, I’ve trusted the wrong people over the years and.

[00:13:00] Pull them from a great height because of it. And from that, my emotional state was kind of battered. Should we say, you know, I won’t obviously name names, but there are, there are people that I’ve got super close to and in the industry. And then out of nowhere, I’ve been ghosted as opposed. There’s the new words that the kids use these days, but.

[00:13:18]it has such a impact on your confidence and that’s where it really kind messaged you to your self esteem, drops something. You don’t think you’re good enough. You’re now questioning everything you reluctant to put stuff out, and then you almost become a perfectionist, which we all know perfection is the quickest way to die.

[00:13:34] Not literally, but career-wise because you never put anything out. So nothing ever happens. Um, So, yeah, for me, it’s definitely knowing who to trust and, you know, at the ripe old age I am now, I feel like I’ve got a really good radar. Um, but you know, it’s still people slipped through the net and you, you, you don’t quite know the best route to take sometimes.

[00:13:49] And that’s been the hardest obstacles for me is knowing who to trust because I came into the industry like everybody else, very naive, very trusting, happy to kind of try everything. And sometimes you’ve just got to really have your wits about you and be a bit more protective about yourself and your art and your talent.

[00:14:06]Dane Reis: [00:14:06] Great advice and let’s move on to a time that I like to call your. Spotlight moment. That one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be an entertainer for living or maybe it was, yes. This is what I need to be doing in the entertainment industry. Tell us about that.

[00:14:28]Brendon Hansford: [00:14:28] Really, really good question. I honestly don’t think I had one of them. I just kind of got into it and loved it. And I, I don’t think I ever looked back and I still remember kind of walking past planet Petacci days and looking through the window and just seeing what he’s sweaty people doing something.

[00:14:42] And I was like, That is so cool. And also I want to do that. I really want to do that. You know, it’s just, it blew my mind in the, you know, I went to class and struggled to struggle, to struggle, to struggle, met some, met some really lovely people along the way that kind of helped me out and put me in the right direction.

[00:14:55]But I don’t think I ever had that moment where I was like, this is what I’m doing for the rest of my life. I just, maybe that was, maybe that was it. I literally saw it through the window and was like, I’m going to do that. And that was it. I think I was just hooked. It should have found me a lot sooner, I think in life.

[00:15:10]Uh, because after that, I don’t, I don’t think I slept, I literally lived and breathed dance and choreography and the art forms. So yeah, maybe that was my moment. But. It hasn’t really stuck out until I started speaking about it to you. So yeah, there you go. My moment was linked to the first name. I looked through that window and was like, wow, 

[00:15:30]Dane Reis: [00:15:30] ah, brilliant. Love that. And let’s piggyback on that real quick. And let’s talk about your. Number one book that moment walk us through that day, the audition and callbacks, if they happen to be a part of it, but what was going on in your life. And what about that moment? Makes it your favorite? Booked it moment.

[00:15:52]Brendon Hansford: [00:15:52] well, I I’ve got to say Sam Smith, like honestly it was, um, it was as a choreographer, not as a dancer. So I was actually, so there was another career for, that was working with Normani. Um, and I was choreographing Sam Smith, but I was the overall movement director as well as I was writing the brief for the movement for everybody.

[00:16:09] And so I was kind of a Jack of all trades on that. And. I still remember getting the call from my agent at the time. And they were like, so, Brent, um, I’ve got some really bad news for you. Yeah. Your thing sound Swissnex needs a video. I was like, Whoa. And I remember kind of trying to keep the excitement down and then just like running around the flat dude.

[00:16:27] Happy, done. W every dance. Um, and then, yeah, I got to work with the director that I’d worked for before, but I now was an absolutely incredible director. He’s done all the big names here in the UK underprivileged and we worked really well together. We’ve got a really lovely balance between what we do and he’s great.

[00:16:43] Cause he gives, he allows me to kind of roll with it a little bit and then knows when to pull the range at the same time. And yeah, it was great. We got the developer, I got to write the brief for the movement. Um, and then on the day, Sam Smith, it’s lovely. Like he is such a nice guy. Literally we would just chat around all day and just telling jokes and having a laugh.

[00:17:02] And I still remember the most iconic moment on set. I was sad. I was stood outside under the shelter cause it was raining and I’m having a cup of tea out of a plastic cup with Samsonite.

[00:17:15] So that was definitely a moment like, wow, this is just so real moment.

[00:17:21]Dane Reis: [00:17:21] Yeah, that is so cool. And what was the music video that you were working on? 

[00:17:27]Brendon Hansford: [00:17:27] Look it up. 

[00:17:30]Dane Reis: [00:17:30] Yeah, I’ve seen it, but for everyone who hasn’t check it out. Yes. And let’s take a moment to talk about the present. What projects are you working on now? What are you looking forward to? And we talked about it a bit.

[00:17:46] We are amidst this crazy global pandemic. How do you see the entertainment industry moving forward in the next couple of years?

[00:17:54] Brendon Hansford: [00:17:54] Okay. So first off, um, obviously I had a lot of work, but before the first lockdown, um, and it was actually going to be one of the busiest few months I’ve had in a while. So I was really, really excited about it to the point where I went to Thailand for a couple of weeks beforehand to just enjoy myself first and then have to play home super early because of the pandemic.

[00:18:11]Um, and then I got back and, you know, one by one, the emails started coming in, you know, obviously this job isn’t going to happen, we’ll let you know, which is no one ever says it’s put off it’s on this day. We’ll let you know, and I haven’t heard any of them since, but so, you know, you have the first sort of two weeks of, Oh my God, what the hell do I do now?

[00:18:26]Like, everything’s gone. I’m used to working 24, seven and suddenly everything stopped. And it was a bit of a shock for me. I’m not going to lie. It’s just a bit like. And then my brain kind of kicked into gear and creative creativity started happening. And I used to run an agency years ago called infinity eight.

[00:18:43] And I always said that I was going to eventually reopen it, but it was just wasn’t the right time for me. Um, so I was like, why not? So I, I thought I stopped it by reopening my, my agency, which is B H created that then turned into a production company. Cause I got offered a directing job straight after the.

[00:18:58] Look that it ended. So I had to create some incredible little short social content adverts for a building company, but they wanted something a little bit different and they want to dance there and they want to do this sort of stuff. So suddenly I created a production company. I brought a team in and I was already teaching.

[00:19:12] So I was like, how is my teaching going to get involved with it? So I opened something called B hitch Academy, and then I actually had, I put a Cleveland label underneath the hedge Academy. Which didn’t really work. So I changed the name to empower. So a M P O w a. And the idea is when you say it sounds like empowered, like empowering people.

[00:19:28] So it became a label that was designed to empower the dots community. And it’s just got like code it, slogans on it, like, but you’re the best. No, it hasn’t got that one, but it’s got like one more

[00:19:37] time. The greatest light told, uh, you know, know yourself, know your worth, make mistakes. My favorite sec. Um, and then I, you know, I met an amazing person called Kioni as well, who are now working side by side, and she’s also an events organizer.

[00:19:49] So we decided to open an events company called Redbox arts. Well, it’s actually a bed, lots of beds, but we were focusing on dance right now. So suddenly all these things, the pit, and I just haven’t stopped working since I don’t think I’ve left the computer or the studio or zoom or whatever it’s going on that day since probably the first month into lockdown.

[00:20:08] Oh. And also, um, I’m going to be traveling. I’m going to be, I think when I can travel the world and teach workshops in as many different countries as possible while also building the business. So yeah, I kind of just got into action and different screw it. What else is happening right now? You know, You know, when, and this is what, this is what I was trying to sort of put into people’s brains.

[00:20:26] When I get to speak to people who are struggling is when do you ever get a time like this in life, where there is no pressure to get work because no one’s working and you’ve got all the time in a while to create whatever the hell you want. It’s never happened. So use it don’t waste it. That’s kind of my advice to everybody.

[00:20:42]Dane Reis: [00:20:42] . Brilliant advice and amazing that you’ve accomplished so much in such a short amount of time. Fantastic. Yeah, and let’s move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightning round. I am going to end, I’m going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible one after another.

[00:21:07] Are you ready? All right. First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career as an entertainer?

[00:21:15] Brendon Hansford: [00:21:15] Oh, I don’t know. Um, I wasn’t very good. And I was, I was too old. I was, I don’t know. I can’t think

[00:21:24] you’ve got me.

[00:21:25] Dane Reis: [00:21:25] brilliant. Yep. Second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received?

[00:21:32] Brendon Hansford: [00:21:32] Okay. Take action.

[00:21:33]Stop thinking about it. Just do it. 

[00:21:34] Dane Reis: [00:21:34] Yes. Yes. Third question. What is something that is working for you right now? Or if you’d like to go pre COVID? What was working for you before our industry went on? Pause?

[00:21:46]Brendon Hansford: [00:21:46] Uh, my Mac

[00:21:52] Dane Reis: [00:21:52] Yes. Yes. Yep right there with you. And the fourth question, what is your best resource? Whether that is a book, a movie, maybe a YouTube video podcast or piece of technology you found is helping your career right now.

[00:22:07]Brendon Hansford: [00:22:07] Well, that’s a really good question. I I’d have to actually go with my best friends. I’ll be honest. They are my best resource. They are the best counseling wool possible 

[00:22:16] Dane Reis: [00:22:16] brilliant. And the fifth question, if you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in this industry, what would you do or not do? Would you do anything differently or would you keep it the same?

[00:22:33] Brendon Hansford: [00:22:33] would not take no for an answer. 

[00:22:34] Dane Reis: [00:22:34] There we are. Last question. What is the golden nugget knowledge drop you’ve learned from it, your successful career in this industry, you would like to leave with our listeners.

[00:22:45] Brendon Hansford: [00:22:45] Branding, branding, branding, branding, Branding, branding, branding, branding, branding. 

[00:22:47] Dane Reis: [00:22:47] branding, branding. And to wrap up this baby, Brendan, it is time to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? Is there anything you want to promote?

[00:23:04] Brendon Hansford: [00:23:04] Yeah, well, just get hold of me. It’s Brendan underscore Hansard, uh, put on my YouTube channel, which is just brilliant Hansard. Uh, they’re the two main ones that I use and honestly, check out my Cleveland label, empower clothing.com and buy a t-shirt if you can. I think that’s actually a code you can use.

[00:23:18] No. If you go to the website and put your email in, you can get 10% off your first order. So head over there and do that. And plug, plug a building a dancer is my documentary. It’s free on Amazon prime. If you had that, you can watch it for free. 

[00:23:31] Dane Reis: [00:23:31] brilliant. Brilliant. And for everyone listening out there, I have put everything that Brendan just talked about into the description of this episode. So you can easily connect with him. And also be sure to share this podcast with your fellow entertainers, coaches, teachers, arts, and entertainment educators, and anyone, you know, you know, aspiring to create a career in the entertainment industry.

[00:23:56] You booked. It is the number one resource of expertise on how to actually create a successful entertainment. Career case in point, everything Brendan just dropped today in this interview, if you enjoyed this, hit that subscribe button. So you don’t miss the next guest. Brendan. Thank you so much for being here.

[00:24:17] It’s been an absolute pleasure to have you on the

[00:24:19] Brendon Hansford: [00:24:19] I thank you so much for having me on buddy. Thank you for inviting me. It was, it was great. I loved it.

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