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EP 180: Erin Cornell (autogenerated)

Dane Reis: [00:00:00] You booked it episode 180. Okay. Let’s get started. I am excited to introduce my guest today. Aaron Cornell, are you ready for this? Aaron? 

[00:00:17]Erin Cornell: [00:00:17] I’m so ready for this.

[00:00:18]Dane Reis: [00:00:18] Brilliant.  Erin is an international leading lady of musicals, a songwriter vocal coach, mindful mentor, and Rohani celestial healer. She played leading roles such as Bella in the Asia tour of cats.

[00:00:34] Then stepping in to cover pop star Delta, good drum  in the role in Australia, she’s played Mona in a class act in the London cast. She’s also played Elphaba in wicked in Japan. She’s appeared on the TV show, the voice Australia, getting into team Delta, and most recently joined the world tour of the queen Sophonic arena.

[00:00:57] Spectacular alongside performing. Aaron helps young performers sustain a positive mindset within the industry, through her coaching and mentoring. Aaron, that is a quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done, but why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself in the gaps and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry?

[00:01:22] Erin Cornell: [00:01:22] Yeah, thank you so much. Um, that’s a beautiful intro. Thank you so much for that, for your , uh, you know, uh, uh, structured work regarding my career. Um, so, uh, Um, so, uh, yeah , so, I mean, you’ve kind of wrapped it all up into one little bow, really. That’s um, yeah , I, I obviously started off just as a performer and then from there , um, have moved into a little bit of coaching along the way, and now find a deep passion regarding the coaching as well as the performing.

[00:01:48]Um, they’re both really, really important to me to help young performers , um, Unleash themselves of any negative mindset , um, setbacks , um, um, I know many and still do. I’m not a perfect, I’m not perfect. Um, but , um, I, I love to share whatever I’ve learnt with. Um, anyone that’s willing to , um, you know, willing to listen , um, to help their experience within the industry to be a little bit gentler, a little bit , um, a little bit more flow and , um, to sustain that confidence and that , um, I’m filing selfless, you know?

[00:02:19]Dane Reis: [00:02:19] Yeah, absolutely. The mindset game of this industry is so huge, so important. I’m so glad that you have acknowledged that and are really addressing it, helping people out there.

[00:02:31]Erin Cornell: [00:02:31] Yeah, it’s , um, it’s crucial. It really is vital to, and as we go on , um, I’m sure I’ll, I’ll vomit X , uh, fi stories of how I got some roles, et cetera, but it really was when my mindset had shifted. Um, when,  you know, that’s when the work started flooding through or where my mind was , um, in that specific moment when my work started flooding through.

[00:02:55]So, um, yeah, it’s all about the mindset. And I think it’s also really important to go back to that , um, in a child why you started in the first place. So I always talked to my senior students about going back to that moment, or if I teach my master classes, I always talk about going back to that moment of.

[00:03:11]Um, you know, when you saw that first show or when you first heard that first song or, or when you saw some kind of ideally performer , um, and you had an emotional reaction to it , um, you know, that’s really important to kind of tap into back into that space and, and to find that playfulness. And , um, again , we, we, we, we got to go back to our play.

[00:03:29] That’s basically, I think one of the lessons to learn.

[00:03:33] Dane Reis: [00:03:33] Yeah, totally agree with you. I’m excited to get into a lot of that through the interview and. With that let’s dig into this first section here. And Aaron, of course I am a sucker for a good quote. What is your favorite quote? You’d like to share with everyone?

[00:03:50] Erin Cornell: [00:03:50] Yeah. I think when I was at VCA, the Victorian college of the arts , um, back when I was about 18, 19 years old and I was doing my music theater course. Um, , one of my main mentors, Tim Smith , um, who I call God, he helped me find my belt. And , um, I’ve been employed for pretty much in a suit. So he loved him Smith, but he , um, he, he said to me , well, he said to the class once have unfailing self-worth.

[00:04:17] Unfailing self-learn and , um, that one, I mean, I mean, there’s so many good quotes out there. I could literally ripple off so many at you, but that one has kind of always been written in my diary and yes, I still writing diaries on that person. Um, I don’t have a computer diary. I have like a, like a hard book diary, but , um, that, that that’s still, you know, in, at the front of it , um, have on filing self-worth , um, because.

[00:04:40]You know, we are, we’ve all been given gifts. Um, and we’re at service, I think, to the universe and to the world to share them. So that’s kind of, it always reminds me of to do so, um, that quite unfailing

[00:04:52] Dane Reis: [00:04:52] Oh, yeah. So good. And can you maybe dig into how that has worked its way into your career?

[00:05:00]Erin Cornell: [00:05:00] Yeah. I mean, it’s , um, again, I feel like it’s been such a, a journey of likecontinuing to refine and , um, and uh, I wanna say like free myself from, from some negative Headspace setbacks. Um, but , uh, Yeah. Uh, well, okay. So my first career moment, I guess, out of ACA out of college , um, was I saw , um, universal studios, Japan , uh, were advertising , um, to audition for a, an abridged version of wicked in Osaka.

[00:05:31]And I was. I think I, I hadn’t even turned 20 yet. Um, but I was still at VCA and I saw the audition and I thought, huh, that I can do. I was given, find gravity when I was at BCI , um, in a, you know, like project called scenes and songs. And I remember being so, um, I had no , uh, Reaction to it in a, Oh my gosh.

[00:05:51] It’s from wicked. I didn’t even know the musical at the time. And I was given this song and I just like so innocently, it was like , well, I could see that. And then I remember going in for the first day when we had rehearsals for it , um, with the director, Dean Bryant, who’s quite an , uh, um, respected director in Australia.

[00:06:07], but he came in as a guest director and gave him the song. And I think heating a bit, like I remember seeing it the first time at college and I remember him kind of being like, he looked at me, he went, Oh, I actually didn’t think. So that was really good.

[00:06:19] And I didn’t think you’d be able to kind of do it. I was like, Oh, but I just kind of was like , well, that’s a fun song. And I love witches and magic and stuff. I was like, Oh, not really knowing much about it. And I’m like, I can definitely see that as nights. So I just did it out of a place of like joy and play and fun.

[00:06:33] And then obviously after that, got obsessed with the show and watched the Tony performance a billion times, et cetera, et cetera. But when I said that was like, same as audition for universal was kind of an extension of that play. And I just, again, innocently, it was like, Oh, I can do that. And then I remember the audition was really early.

[00:06:51] It was 9:00 AM and , um, you know, aggressively warmed up my boy voice, sorry, neighbors. Um, about six 30 or whatever, very early. And then, And then, and then , um, and then off I went and I remember. Um, just being there, going, just like being tired time going. Yeah, I can totally do this. And then I remember they were like, do you know, wizard?

[00:07:07] And I, and inside I was like, yes, but I was like, yeah , I, I know it. Um, I think I know it, you know, and then, and then I just remember them filming it. Um, and I remember like having goosebumps all up and down my legs and this exhilaration of just getting, it was an excuse to share , um, this joy and of this song and this play and this character that I loved.

[00:07:26] So D Dealy. Um, and then it’s crazy, crazy story, but how I found that I actually got the role was at the same time I was doing , uh, um, Aaron Cornell. Does Schwartz? Yes. I just said by name as a third person to be weird, but I was doing the Aaron Cordell does sports show and I was researching Stephen Schwartz fact files very late at night, put into this show with my band.

[00:07:51]Um, I just graduated from BCA and it was kind of like my second, like one woman show out. And , um,and I found. His email address, like 2:00 AM in the morning. I was like, surely it’s not his email address, but I emailed him anyway. I thought , well, and I didn’t even talk about the audition. I actually just said to him, I actually just wrote and said, look, I’ve had the , um, You researching and I’m currently about to perform your show.

[00:08:15] And I just want to thank you so much for writing music. That’s so easy for performer to perform because the music and the lyrics just do the work for you. And then your voice almost falls out because it’s like an extension of where the story is going, blah, blah, blah. Um, and I was just kind of like a bit of a, like a gratitude rave at him.

[00:08:32] And , um, he, the next morning , um, on my. Compaq computer. He had written back in the inbox that said Steven Schwartz. So I was like, anyway, so I , um, I opened it obviously and it said, dear Aaron, thank you so much for your beautiful email. Um, I believe I’ve had the pleasure of. What she knew performed via DVD.

[00:08:57]Um, if I haven’t my way, you will be finding yourself stuck a very soon plain alphabet. And so he actually told me I got the role before I actually, I then had to wait a month and then I was kind of like, kind of like, Oh my God, I got it. Steven told me, but then maybe, you know, You never know, and you never know what changes.

[00:09:15] And so it was kind of this crazy random email from Steven Schwartz telling me I got my first job out of college. Um,

[00:09:22]Dane Reis: [00:09:22] that’s amazing. That’s so cool.

[00:09:25] Erin Cornell: [00:09:25] yeah. It’s the, there you go.



[00:09:27]Dane Reis: [00:09:27] Great. And let’s get into this next section here. And Aaron, of course you are an entertainer. I’m an entertainer. And I think that you would agree that this industry can be one of the most subjective, brutally, honest and personally emotional industries in existence.

[00:09:46] And you know, you know, as well as I. Then in order to create and have a successful career in this industry, like your having now takes a lot of dedication and hard work. And while yeah, there is an outrageous amount of fun and excitement being an entertainer, doing what we do. There are also our fair share of obstacles, challenges, and failures.

[00:10:06] We are going to experience and we’re going to have to move forward through. So tell us. What is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career? And how did you come out the other side better because of it.

[00:10:19]Erin Cornell: [00:10:19] My gosh, there’s literally so many. Um, Um, I just think like, , like, I just feel like very performing to be like, there was one I’m like you’re lying. Um, okay. I guess one of my. Biggest moments was again, straight out of college. Um, before I went and did wicked and I was asked to go in for the lies and Minelli , um, cover for the hegemon arena, the vision of boys from olives in Australia.

[00:10:52] And , um, I knew, you know, I’m not , uh, I’m not a , um, I’m a very, I’m a strong mover. I wouldn’t call myself an advanced dancer by any means. Um, but you know, that little kid gets very excited when , uh, I can S I can say I did the lightning of cats every day. Um, cause literally I was literally, I’m dancing. I’m dancing the cat anyway, but yeah, that’s not my, that’s not my jam.

[00:11:14]Um, but I, for Eliza , um, I wanted to show the creatives , um, even though I’m not. Um, you know, trained strongly in that way that I could physically transform myself into a dancer if I did the work. Um, so I choreographed for that audition, my uptempo number very lightly. I’m not talking like full out, but I just, I went to a , um, uh, a private.

[00:11:41] I had some private dance classes with a choreographer. And I just said to him, is there some ways we could subtly , um, show in shapes movement , um, within this song, which was other side of the tracks from the little Mae , um, some, some, some Fauci laziness. Um, so they can be like, huh, look at her when she’s got a finished product , um, she can look like this.

[00:12:02]Um, you know, so. I basically went in and did that, and I got a standing ovation from the , um, panel and I was like, Oh, this is going so well. I also conveniently , uh, well, no, it’s not what I thought it was conveniently, but , um, it wasn’t so that I , um, I learnt because boyfriend was, had gone to Broadway, so it had.

[00:12:20] It already had done , um, the showing in Australia with Tom McKinney, but then it went to Broadway and Hugh Jackman played it. And laser’s song changed in the, in , there was, it was a different song from the Australian production to the American production, but I thought, huh, I might , um, I might be clever and learn both songs because you never know because now they’re doing it back in Australia.

[00:12:39] So they might want to go back to the first one, although LA. So I learnt by songs. That lies a dish , um, in the two different productions. And then in my audition, after, you know, standing ovation, uptempo number, and I was like, Oh, this is like, this is going really well. Um, they just said to me, do you know, maybe this time from cabaret and I didn’t. Which is so funny, cause I’ve literally sung it. I think I’ve literally done it. I was like, I have to lend myself. Obviously. It’s one of the most cliche songs in music theater. Very well aware of that. I knew how it went. I did not know one lyric now being 20 years old, 19 years old, whatever. I was super confident.

[00:13:21] I just went. I know of it. And then I stood there and committed to the whole thing with making up words and like, I literally, it was just, it was , um, interesting anyway, but while doing that afterwards, I could see their faces drop and their excitement of, Oh my God. We found out girl too. Oh.

[00:13:42]Um, definitely that vibration came into the room and I still did a dance call, et cetera. And they got me back to him some scenes, but you could definitely see there was a. There was something that they were a bit disappointed with, or, I mean, I guess I’m making an assumption, but that was what I kind of gauged from the room after that moment.

[00:13:57] And then basically one of the casting directors of it. Well, the casting director, Robert called my agent and said, look, when that happened, it showed her lack of research. It low her shack of experience. Um, and, and I remember getting that call from my agent telling me that. And , um, you know, because it was so fresh and started my career, I literally felt my career was over.

[00:14:17] It’s like she’s new. She was a very passable casting director at that point. Um, and I was like, Oh my God, she’s never going to see me again. Um, and she was like, you know, she’s too much of a cabaret before ma. Um, she’s and I had bright red hair at the time. You know, she was like, her looks just really full on , um, it was bright red spiky hair.

[00:14:34] Yes, it was for long. Um, but it was, it was me at that point, but yeah, I remember that being a real, Ooh. And then I kind of had to build myself up a little bit again, because when I was at the Victorian college of the arts, there was very high expectation that I would come out and , um, be leading lady straightaway.

[00:14:52] That’s pretty much how I was. Um, traded, which was very kind and lovely that I had that , um, energy around me. Uh, but then when it started not happening as immediate as , um, as I, you know, assumed it would , um, and it was a pretty kind of tragic fold because not only do you feel like you’re , um, letting yourself down, but you feel like you’re letting.

[00:15:12]Well, these other people down that believe so heavily in you as well. I’m so wicked. So gaining alpha was a real great moment because it was back to that sense of play and joy. But then, yeah, I guess that, that moment, that audition kind of ingrained in me for a bit when it came to Australia and my success in Australia , um, because I had this kind of story, I kept telling myself that, you know, they don’t take me seriously or , um, you know, I’m not seen or stuff.

[00:15:39] And I guess that was , uh, you know, and that is a continuous battle. I think that’s a really. It’s a tricky one because I’ve had an extremely successful international life and Korea I really have, and I’m very blessed because I’ve had so much travel. And when you think about COVID , um, times and. The lack of travel we can do.

[00:15:56] Now. I always say, you know, to a lot of my friends that have done a lot of travel with me, God, we were lucky because we’ve got to travel, like whether the world ends tomorrow, which it won’t, we’re going into a new chapter. And I feel like 20, 21 is very optimistic year and it’s going to be a lot kinder and gentler, but , um, just, you know, reminding myself.

[00:16:15]Very very grateful for the travel I’ve done. But yeah , that, that underlying story about Australia though , um, has been a challenge and that’s where I’ve had to change my mindset a lot in my adult hood of I’m not seeing, I’m not hurting in Australia, I’m not appreciating Australia because , and, and I do believe it started from that little, that little moment, that little audition, what wasn’t a little deficient in addition, it was quite big audition, but, and then just kind of really.

[00:16:38]You know, re re um, reframing that conversation with yourself, retraining your brain to different words , um, can be incredibly powerful. And when you do get out of your way , um, you know, that it floods through   , I’m, 

[00:16:49] Dane Reis: [00:16:49] I think that’s all. I think that’s all fantastic. You said reframing the way you look at everything. And I think that’s, that’s such a huge takeaway because you’re right. Us as entertainers. We never going to have just one upset or one challenge. Our careers are full of them.

[00:17:04] It’s a tough question, right? To sum it up into one thing. But the biggest takeaway is the ability to reframe situations and past experiences can really make all the difference.

[00:17:19] Erin Cornell: [00:17:19] Oh a hundred percent. And also out of that can come from what you think is a net negative cloud can come. Um, beautiful gifts of experience, you know, of like traveling and other gigs coming from other places and extraordinary games. I always say with my career, there’s been a lot of lulls, but when it’s a, yes, it is so full heartedly.

[00:17:41] Yes. And it’s such an extreme career moment. Like I went from , um, you know, It kind of doing the HOD classic unemployed actress vibe in London, you know, didn’t have a lot of money , um, raw to then Chris Isabella like, you know, , like, you know, it’s like, it’s always been. And I use that in my audition. You know, I used my much red chicness at the time in that audition.

[00:18:07] And I sang from my. From my stall and I, you know, I sang from my sadness. I sang from my, I just come home from living in , uh, sorry. I, I, I been in the UK for three years and I’d done a class act is Mona. That was incredible experience. Still one of my most joyful roles I’ve ever played and amazing cast.

[00:18:27] And , um, Linda Klein, who co-wrote it, she came over and soared and it was just a wonderful experience. Um, but. Uh, and also, yeah, I did a tour queen tour racing , um, with  it was cold and I had some great moments, but then there was this kind of Epic lull and I had, hadn’t been home to Australia in three years.

[00:18:46] I came home to Australia. I saw sunshine. I saw friends, I saw family and then returned to the UK, was like, what am I doing here? It’s freezing. It’s, you know, dark at 3:00 PM. And I was like, ah, and then in that period , um, I was actually given a book. Someone told me to read this book called how to be brilliant in 90 days.

[00:19:05]Um, and I read it and kind of on my like 80 whatever day, 85th or something. Um, I went into grids and I, and I got it, but I really used my, my pine for home. My pining for sunshine, my pining for it. Um, just kind of an easy a life and, and that memory, no pun intended, but literally that memory. Um, and that’s where I sang from.

[00:19:27] And, you know, so it’s all relevant. It all connects, it’s all perfect in, in, you know, a weirdo weird way.

[00:19:34] Dane Reis: [00:19:34] Yeah, totally. Well, Well, let’s move on to a time that I like to call your. Spotlight moment. That one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be an entertainer for a living or maybe it was, yes. This is what I need to be doing as an entertainer. Tell us about that.

[00:19:55]Erin Cornell: [00:19:55] I think when I was 10, 1996, I saw a production of sunset Boulevard. Um, and I, and I , um, he, Jacqueline was actually in it , uh, and Deborah Bird and different boon has been , uh, a mentor slash um, massive inspiration for me , um, for, for majority of my life, really, since I was 10, but I saw that production and then I saw her.

[00:20:17]And, you know, it doesn’t really make that much sense that as suicidal recluse, that lives with a monkey, isn’t a massive attraction to a 10 year old, but apparently it was to me, but I saw truth. I saw vulnerability, I heard truth and vulnerability and a voice. Um, and, and like the magicalness of it and that kind of, you know, you know, that, that sunset Boulevard house, her house and sunset and, and the sets and the sound and.

[00:20:42]Um, the documentary is on TV and that right at that point as well, musicals were taken really? Not that they’re not anymore, but. On a media side. Um, I feel like they’ve lost a bit of momentum these days. Like then there was, you know, it you know, was on channel 10, which is a really popular TV channel in Australia.

[00:20:57] There was the documentary of the , of, of, you know, how they got up sunset Boulevard and the renovation of the Regent theater to open up the show and, you know, and that was on that wouldn’t happen now really for a musical on , um, you know, and there was articles in the paper every day and it was a really.

[00:21:11]Massive time. And I just remember seeing her deeper burn as Norma and just went that I have to do that, whatever that is. I have to do that. And then progressively dressed up as Norma Desmond, most weekends and sang with one little cause the child, but that the actual seriousness of it and the realness of it and, and the, what it made me feel.

[00:21:33] Was very real and very powerful. And I always, if I lose my way a bit, I mean, I get emotional even thinking about it now, but if I lose my way a bit, and if I get a bit jaded about the industry, I’d go pack back and put that over to Ron that, that sunset Boulevard over two hour. Um, cause it’s really beautiful.

[00:21:51]I mean, I think it’s some Avengers best music, but that’s my point of view, but , um, it’s so magic and that’s, that’s definitely. Was one of those points and that’s, you know, that sort of as an adult that’s as a kid going, this is it. And I, you know, there was a drive that pretty much hasn’t left along the way of being a bit, you know, that drives me a for use , um, or, you know, had like a great ego moment or whatever, but really underneath that’s still there.

[00:22:16] But I think that’s, that’s one there. And then , um, I think  , uh, when you auditioned for a role and you really know , like, I remember with Isabella, I was like, no , like, this is, I can do this. I think when a part, when your whole body reacts so strongly to something, I think that’s , um, that was, I mean, yeah, Griz was definitely moment.

[00:22:33] Alphabet was, I mean, I mean, Because there are moments when your body just goes yep. You know, there’s other auditions, you go along the way and you go, yeah. You know, and give that a go , like, come from away. Um, and, and like great, great storyline, et cetera. Um, but then there’s other roles that you’re just like

[00:22:48] Dane Reis: [00:22:48] cool.

[00:22:49] Erin Cornell: [00:22:49] your whole body reacts and you know, you listen to that.

[00:22:52]Dane Reis: [00:22:52] Yeah, for sure. Well, let’s piggyback on that real quick and talk about your number one, booked it moment. Walk us through that day, the auditions and call backs. If they happen to be a part of it, what was going on in your life? And what about that moment? Makes it your favorite? Booked it moment.

[00:23:12]Erin Cornell: [00:23:12] Um, booked it. Um, cute. Um, Um, so I , uh, well, I mean, it would be grills because of how all the signs I got that were telling me that day. That I will, that I got it. I mean, that’s kind of how I believe it, but that day. I was , um, it all came through so quickly and I find that that happens with majority of the big book moments , um, that I have  , uh, they’ve all happened pretty quick.

[00:23:38]They haven’t been besides actually the longest way I’ve ever had was to be the GRI Isabella standby for. Um, Fidel to Goodrich , um, that was a very painful, long white, which is a weird thing because I was already playing the role. And then I didn’t know whether they wanted to cover for Australia. So anyway, I talk about that later, but that was, that was the most painful out of them because it was a long process, so basically how this went was the day before , um, Someone that I was doing a class at, with , um, beautiful Johnny by he had a text message , um,from the music director of cats , um, saying, look, we’re kind of kind of screwed.

[00:24:14]Um, we haven’t found that Greazy it , uh, was with  South Africa and a few in London. Is there anyone that you could recommend , um, to come in and I think Johnny takes two names and numbers. One of them being mine. And then they found my representation with global artists in the UK and contacted them. And and basically my agents, they want you in for the, you know, you’ve been requested to come in for Isabella tomorrow. Um, so I was like , okay, okay. And , um, actually kindly. I’m very grateful to think about it. Now I messaged a beautiful Debra Bern who had, who had , um, who I’d reconnected with in my later years, not lady is I’m still in my twenties, but in the later part, you know, I wasn’t contacting her since I was 10, but we had once I’d become a professional performer after VCA, and we’d done a few concerts together, fundraising concerts, et cetera together.

[00:25:07] And yeah. I emailed her. And I , um, said, look, I’m going into Greece tomorrow. And I knew that she had played Grizz Abella and I said, do you have any wise words for me for tomorrow? And she sent me the most heartfelt rundown of what Roosevelt was to her and what the points of, of her soul that, you know, grew Isabella’s soul.

[00:25:27]Um, that, that, that really kind of stood out for her, et cetera. And I read that and. You know, practice the songs over at Remax Academy memory over and over again. And, and , uh, even the next day for the audition, usually for an audition, I’d be like, right. Okay. The whole days off like, you know, , like, you know, the LA that I couldn’t, I couldn’t afford to do that.

[00:25:42] I taught to singing students before I left the house. I was sitting there in my audition outfit and , um, I was on my way after the audition to go look after a friend’s cat called Winston. Um, Um, Virgin cat in Hyde park and it’s incredible penthouse. Um, but yeah, so he, he was away for business and I was going to go look after this cat.

[00:26:00] So I had my little suitcase and as I was leaving Putney and my Putney home, it was really cold , um, to go to Malibu alone. And I , um, I left feeling like with my suitcase, I pretended I was returning to my tribe. I was like on my way. To like where the audition was to my tribe. Like we’re going, returning to the cats, which is where that’s what’s Isabella does.

[00:26:23] She returns to her tribe, her original tribe. Um, so I did that, got there saying , um, then they said, Oh, we love if you’ve got anything else. And I have my little folder there and. I had songs that I thought they would think would be appropriate for a Griz. Um, and they were like the music director. Fizzies like, no, he said, I love, I love this song moving the line from smash.

[00:26:42] And I thought, which is not reserved Ellery that. Okay. Anyway. And so I lacked that out and I didn’t even,even with the song, even with the end, because I didn’t think I had all these other songs perfectly in the folder. And then moving the line was right at the end of the folder, smashed into one. Um, Kind of a slip.

[00:27:03] And when we got to like some part of the song, the page wasn’t even there because it was all like, I was like, they’re never going to choose moving the line. So I kind of liked that in the back. And then, you know, there’s a person I said, sorry, I think we need to stop. I think that’s , um, that’s the page. It was, you know, that was all clumsy, that part.

[00:27:18] But , um, and then we did it again. It was fine. And then. Um, and then I sang memory, you know, Oh my goodness. Did they get me to do touch me a billion times? Yes. Um, and then they filmed it and then I walked out and I remember I accidentally left my phone in the room and had to knock on the door and be like, sorry, I let the phone in my, and then came back in.

[00:27:36] And as I did that, they said, I’m so glad you walked back in because you were singing. Um, touch on me and they, you know, says, it sounds a bit Italian touch to me and they were like, can you just do it again and touch me, touch me, touch me. It’s so easy. And I um, , um,

[00:27:51]and I’m like, Oh, cool it student. And I said, Oh great, thank you so much.

[00:27:55]Um, but even though that sounds all a bit like a slapstick comedy. When I sang memory, I went somewhere. I really did white go somewhere because I was pining, as I said before, pining for home pining for sunshine. And , um, I really, I really connected to my deep sorrow and hope , uh, for tomorrow. yeah, so came home then when I had set the cat.

[00:28:15] And then after how sitting in the cat , um, the next day I went to a cafe , um, friends were coming back from Germany that were doing Starlight express and we were having a little welcome back. And as we were sitting there, this cat kept circulating the table of the cafe and my other friend NRA,  who you played.

[00:28:32]Um, Christina Love never dies. You know, she was like, it’s a sign, it’s a sign. She was sitting there as well. And she was like a sign that, you know, I’ve worked with Andrew and. And things just come back from doing Stella express. She’s like, it’s all signs, it’s all signs. And then as I was walking home to go look after the cat again, after that lunch , um, I’ve walked past a restaurant that said staff, sorry, Korean barbecue.

[00:28:54] And the two is to be in Korea. And then the next day , um, as I was teaching again , um, I got. Offered the role and my singing student recorded the whole thing. Cause she was recording the singing lesson and then sent me that and I still have that, which is 

[00:29:08] Dane Reis: [00:29:08] wow.

[00:29:09] Erin Cornell: [00:29:09] so it’s um, yeah, that was, that was probably the audition where it’s so, uh, you know, it’s like the narrative from the first moment was, the universe kind of going, yeah, we’re with you on this.

[00:29:18] Like we’re collaborating with you. If you do what you need to do. Um, Here are the signs and pretty sure you’ll get it.

[00:29:25] Dane Reis: [00:29:25] yeah. So good. So good. Love that. Thank you. And let’s take a moment to talk about the present. What projects are you working on now? What are you looking forward to? And it’s a weird time, right? With COVID and everything going on. How do you see the entertainment industry moving forward in the next couple of years?

[00:29:47]Erin Cornell: [00:29:47] Yeah, I think , um, particularly being in Melbourne Australia, we had a pretty intense lockdown for about, you know, six, six months, eight months kind of, it was pretty hectic and it was , um, You know, stage four. So, uh, that my world had to deeply stop , uh, very grateful that my scenes students all went to zoom.

[00:30:04] And now that’s actually the only one I teach now on zoom and because it’s kind of opened up , um, my, my teaching internationally, which has been incredible, I’ve got seen students in. Singapore and Hong Kong and , um, the UK and Sydney. And it, it, that that’s an S in Melbourne, but that’s been um, really, , um, really, really magical.

[00:30:21] So that’s been a gift out of it, but I guess performing wise , um, yeah, it had to really question , uh,because performing is so I believe per performing. Is very personal and it’s very vulnerable. And , um, when that stops, I was too, I was booked , um, about at least nine queen gigs, like seeing queen , um, over the year that obviously all had to be stopped.

[00:30:45]Um, but , uh, with that came, you know, a big break. Which I think we’re not used to, we’re used to a hustle. We used to create a momentum and , um, creating like always that , um, flow and like, uh, achieving some kind of project on the go. And like that’s what we’re, who we are like to an extent , um, or who I am to an extent.

[00:31:04]Um, and that for a while, it was actually really nice to like give myself a little vacay. Um, and then.  You know, it you know, it was a very, it was a mental health. Um, it was a mental health rod, for sure, because you were then feeling good and then , uh, the next minute you go, Oh my God, like a song comes on and you kind of start seeing to it.

[00:31:22] And then all of a sudden I had all these tears running down my face guy. That’s right. You were given that gift and that’s not being. When we sing, it’s very high frequency on an energetic form. So when you stopped doing that and when that’s a gift that you’ve been given, it can vary, it can lower your vibration quite intensely.

[00:31:40] And I then had a massive sing. One modern. Remember. All these kinds of huge songs , um, and just pull it, like just cry, just kind of was purging kind of seeing my career flash performance. This is very dramatic, but it’s not really real at the time. And I’m sure there was a glass of wine involved, but it was like a very kind of real moment of who , and, and also kind of maybe , um, not saying that that chapter will never open again.

[00:32:03]Well, actually, yeah, that chapter, it felt like that chapter was closed. Not meaning that there’s going to be. I’m not going to be new chapters, opening, performing, but that it felt like , um, I was mourning , um, which we were, which we have been, I think. And I think it’s okay to say that. Um, and then from that came.

[00:32:22]Interestingly enough, I’m now living. I’m now living in the Dandenong ranges in the forest, kind of, um, I made, I made a choice to move out to more nature when COVID happened , um, in this beautiful kind of Hansel and Gretel amazing magical house. And I was looking at the window to this incredible tray and this melody just hit me.

[00:32:42] And I was like, Ugh, I don’t write music. That’s so silly. Um, Sure. And then, and then um, and then it kept kind of, you know, kept, , um, kind of, you know, kept, kept hitting me, kept telling me he kept enemy me and I recorded it and I was like, okay, just I voiced my mode it, and then before I judged it, I sent it to two of my backing singers.

[00:32:58] And my guitarist, Aaron, that usually goes my like one woman shows that other people’s music, not mine. Um, and uh, I said to them, look, I can’t get this out of my head. And then they were like, this is really good. And then they built on it. And then from that. A band called moon over Soho. And we’ve been songwriting, you know, since the start of , um, COVID and that has been an incredible, wonderful, new, fresh , um, liberating freeing experience because.

[00:33:27] When I was at BCA , um, you know, and it wasn’t done out of word of unkindness. Um, but one of the mentors said to me once, and he was a super, like super fan, like not a super fan, but he was a fan of my work. Um, and he just said once in a, in a songwriting class, Aaron, who said, you’re good at so many things, but songwriting isn’t one of them.

[00:33:46]He didn’t say in like a brute. And I was like, Oh, literally. Cause I looked up to him so much. I didn’t even take offense to it. I just went, Oh, okay. And my brain from that moment with, I’m not a song writer. And so, um, that’s why when this melody was coming through, I was like,  It’s can’t be, but it, I felt, but I kept going.

[00:34:02] No, it is good. It’s really powerful. It’s really beautiful. And the music is almost , um, collaborating to my spirituality, my healing, I do.  it’s like, um, also it’s almost like an exiting , um, from my body and soul app. Uh, like to this sound, which is, this music is more , um, like, I guess a mixture of kind of Celtic, mystique, Loreena, McKennitt , um, mixed of kind of Fleetwood Mac.

[00:34:25] The call is called play vibe. Um, that’s where we’re at and it’s um, yeah, it’s unleashing this kind of inner sound of mine and that’s been incredible. Um, and then also , um, we’ve just been putting up moon over, so here’s some little videos to just. Um, which you can check out on my Instagram, et cetera, of just songs to like help uplifting, you know, we did hold on, hold on for one more day.

[00:34:47]Um, as Al um, LA like one more day before lockdown ended for Melbourne and just kind of, you know,kind of, you know, but pretty now kind of, um, Celtic kind of , um, folky twist on it and. Um, and then we’ve just done another one for Christmas. And so that’s, that’s been incurred. That’s just being fun and light and lovely. And I feel like right now, that’s what we need as humans.

[00:35:07] With everything that’s going on, we just need as much fun and light and lovely as possible. And wherever that can come from, and maybe that’s not your, you know, the , um, the direction you’ve always gone in the past. And that to me is a little bit was frightening. It’s frightening. Oh my God. But that’s not, you know, going hard for that, that, that lead role or whatever, but that’s not saying that chapter’s closed when that role comes up again.

[00:35:28] Then I go, yeah, I’ll give my heart and soul for this. Um, Oh, a hundred percent , um, uh, put everything into to Devlin into that again. Um, that just right now with what we’ve got and what’s being , um, given that’s, that’s, what’s really feeding my soul and , um, I couldn’t be happier. Really.

[00:35:44] Dane Reis: [00:35:44] Oh, wonderful. Love all of that. I’ll have to check out all of your music coming up here 

[00:35:51] for

[00:35:51] Erin Cornell: [00:35:51] well, w she , um, within the start of the year, the twins, who am I backing singers, um, uh, Y molded backing sing is now they were in the shows, but they are my collab, collaborators, and , um,incredible talents that they, they McKayla and Jolie odds field, but they will be coming down to. Um, Melbourne and we’re going to be recording the album together with Aaron , um, Al guitarra.

[00:36:11]So, and obviously building on that sound with more of a band, but , um, you know, the four of us are the writers and I’m just really excited to see what happens with that.

[00:36:21]Dane Reis: [00:36:21] Very cool. And it is time to move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightning round. I am going to ask you a handful

[00:36:33] Erin Cornell: [00:36:33] Go go, go, go, go, go, go, Go go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

[00:36:38] Dane Reis: [00:36:38] I’m going to, I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible one 

[00:36:42] Erin Cornell: [00:36:42] gosh. The pressure.

[00:36:43] Dane Reis: [00:36:43] I know. Are you ready? All right. First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career as an entertainer?

[00:36:52]Erin Cornell: [00:36:52] Um, selfless.

[00:36:53]Dane Reis: [00:36:53] Second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received?

[00:36:58]Erin Cornell: [00:36:58] Have on filing self-worth

[00:37:00] Dane Reis: [00:37:00] Yes. Third question. What is something that is working for you right now? Or if you’d like to go pre COVID? What was working for you before our industry? Pause?

[00:37:11] Erin Cornell: [00:37:11] meditation journaling.

[00:37:14]Dane Reis: [00:37:14] Fourth question. What is your best resource? Whether that is a book, a movie, a YouTube video, maybe a podcast or a piece of technology you found is helping your career right now.

[00:37:26] Erin Cornell: [00:37:26] Sadness and joy and play. What I was talking about. I have replaced my morning news with YouTube clips of interviews with Kate Hudson, Gwyneth Paltrow. Goldie Hawn or Oprah, because I feel like they are, where are they? Their joy. They’re talented. They’re successful women, they’re entrepreneurs. And they’re making a difference to this world in a really light, joyful, fun way.

[00:37:54]Dane Reis: [00:37:54] beautiful. And the fifth question, if you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in this industry, what would you do or not do? Would you do anything differently or would you keep it the same?

[00:38:10]Erin Cornell: [00:38:10] No, I wouldn’t do anything differently. I’d probably, I’d probably do a little bit more. Uh, no, actually, no, I wouldn’t do anything differently. I was doing a bit of TA I was doing quite well in 2009 with television. And then I got asked to go back because one of the alphabet was , um, in Japan had vocal nodules.

[00:38:29]Um, so I was asked to go back to Japan too. Um, to play the role for a little bit while she had her operation. Um, and I always thought, Oh gosh, like if I’d stayed in hours, I probably would have done really well with film and TV. Cause I was on a real momentum. Um, and um, because we, cause here we’re getting a bit better, but.

[00:38:48] America is so much better at employing , um, music, theater performance , like, well, just employing performance on TV, any musicals in Australia , um, we’re getting better, but we’re still very, they’re a music theater performer or they’re, or they’re a screen performer or a straight actor. Um, so I was kind of, kind of, um,   releasing my music theater reputation, and I was really on a momentum of film and TV.

[00:39:12]Um, but then I went back and played alphabet, but then I would never have moved to the UK because that’s when I got signed with my UK management, when they came and saw me wicked. So, you know, So, you know, it all’s well, well, that ends well,

[00:39:22]Dane Reis: [00:39:22] indeed. There you go. And the last question, what is the golden nugget knowledge drop that you’ve learned from your successful career in this industry? You’d like to leave with our listeners.

[00:39:34] Erin Cornell: [00:39:34] yeah. To be always your authentic self, to never try to be someone else to never try to mold yourself into fit in something, walking in with your open heart, walking with your authenticity, walking with your vulnerability, walking with your sunshine and your sparkle and your light. The end 

[00:39:55] Dane Reis: [00:39:55] So, so good. And to wrap up this interview, Aaron, it is time to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? Is there anything you want to promote?

[00:40:10] Erin Cornell: [00:40:10] Yes. So you can , um, I’ve got my Um, so that’s got , uh, Majority of things that are offered. Um, also my Instagram is Ms. Erin Cornell , um, which is me as kind of all my offerings. But then if you want to look into having some private singing lessons with me , um, I specialize in fear, secure belting, relaxed state, Sabi, Haida technique, and connection to lyric.

[00:40:35]Um, you can connect to my. Instagram page called singing with Erin. Um, but those contact details are on my main, Instagram is Aaron Cornell. Um, and then also on my UNMIS, Aaron Cornell is , uh, connecting to Rohani with Aaron. If you’re wanting to booking a , um, Rohani celestial. Beautiful gorgeous healing with me.

[00:40:54]Um, and then there’s also a link to Minova Soho band , um, on my, on my main Instagram as well. So they’re all my offerings. If you’d like to have a , um, beautiful private singing lesson with me or a mentor lesson , um,on mindfulness , um, please head over to my main Instagram and you can then , um, connecting to all the other connections.

[00:41:12] And then yet also the Rohani slips you’re healing.

[00:41:14]Dane Reis: [00:41:14] beautiful. And for everyone listening out there, I’ve put the links to everything. Aaron just said into the description of this episodes, you can. Easily connect with her and everything she’s got going on, and also be sure to share this podcast with your fellow entertainers, coaches, teachers, arts, and entertainment educators, and anyone, you know, you know, aspiring to create a career in this.

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[00:42:00] So you don’t miss the next one. Aaron, thank you so much for being here today. I’m so glad that we got connected.

[00:42:08] Erin Cornell: [00:42:08] Oh, thank you so much. It’s just been an absolute pleasure to talk to you today. It’s been a lovely trip down memory lane.

[00:42:14] Dane Reis: [00:42:14] wonderful.

[00:42:15]Erin Cornell: [00:42:15] Gorgeous. Thank you so much.