Chris Agos

@chrisagos
www.complete-voiceover.com


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EP 189: Chris Agos (autogenerated)

Dane Reis: [00:00:00] You booked it episode 189. Okay. Let’s get it started. I am excited to introduce my guest today. Chris Agos, are you ready for this, Chris?

[00:00:16] Chris Agos: [00:00:16] Well, you know, Well, you know, as my dad used to say, I am as ready as I’ll ever be. So let’s do

[00:00:20] it.

[00:00:20]Dane Reis: [00:00:20] right on. Chris has enjoyed every minute of his 25 year career as an actor and voiceover guy. He has appeared in TV shows across various networks and streaming services lent his face and voice to dozens of top advertisers and performed in thousands of corporate. Projects. He is the author of several books, including acting in Chicago, the go-to resource for actors looking to establish and grow their career in the Midwest and the voice over startup guide, which shows readers how to navigate the voiceover industry through simple step-by-step instructions .

[00:00:55] Combined with instructional audio downloads. His most recent book is titled commercial VO strategies. Tell a story, land the job, Chris, that is a very, very, very, the abridged and quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done. But why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself, filling the gaps and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry.

[00:01:21]Chris Agos: [00:01:21] Sure dang. Well, first of all, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate being able to speak with you. It’s it’s it’s great to chat. Um, You know, it’s always a little weird when somebody is like, Hey, tell me a little about yourself. But , uh, I would say that first and foremost , um, I’m a dad and a husband. Um, everything I do is, is with  , uh, my family’s best interest in mind.

[00:01:37] And, you know, professionally speaking, that intro was. You know, at a pretty decent summary , uh, I’m someone who got into acting almost by accident. Um, back when I started, I just wanted to do voiceover. Um, I was in college in Chicago. I was on my way to medical school. Believe it or not when I kind of needed a break from studying.

[00:01:55]So, uh, I took a few voiceover lessons in that. That hooked me. Um, I made a deal with my parents that I was going to put off med school for a while and try VO and you know, that led to on-camera work and it just kind of snowballed from there. So today I’m , uh, I’m uh, I guess you would say a working class actor and voiceover guy in, in LA.

[00:02:13]Um , uh, I do a lot of stuff that isn’t very visible. Um, I work in a lot of different areas of the business and tend not to focus on any one particular area unless that winds up happening organically. Um, but for example, in a normal year, I split my time about evenly between on-camera work and voiceover.

[00:02:28]Uh, but of course, lately there hasn’t been a whole lot of on-camera work going around. So these days I’m mostly, mostly in the voiceover booth. Um, and of course, you know, after you’ve been doing this for a while, people start asking you about it. So I’ve been teaching and writing books for a little over 10 years now.

[00:02:41]Um, and I’ve been kind of leaning into that with the industry, you know, you know, on hold the way it is right now. So, um, there’s still a need for a lot of information. And I, I try to fill that need if, if, if I can. So that’s kind of, that’s kind of the past 25 years, all in a nutshell.

[00:02:53] Dane Reis: [00:02:53] Yeah, very cool. And I think you’re right, especially with the VO world. There is, I know from speaking with a lot of actors that, the VO world has become a very popular thing to figure out how to make work right during this entire pandemic time. So I can imagine. All of your information has become very valuable for a lot of people.

[00:03:15] Chris Agos: [00:03:15] It’s true that the voiceover business has changed dramatically , uh, in the past , even, even just the past 10 years, forget the past 25, but you know, technology has really democratized it and, and made it so that anybody with a, a, you know, a a a a a hundred dollars worth of USB microphone and some free software can at least give it a go.

[00:03:31]So, um, There has been an explosion in the number of people who are trying to, to kind of make it work and, you know, for some of them , it, it, it works for some of them, it doesn’t and , um, it’s its own beast. I think that’s, what’s important to remember is that it’s, it’s acting, but it’s a sort of special little division of acting that re that has its own skill set.

[00:03:49]Um, so yeah , it’s, it’s important to know what it is that you’re signing up for before you invest a lot of time or money.

[00:03:55]Dane Reis: [00:03:55] for sure. I think that goes, that goes with a lot of things. You know, You know, a lot of us think it’s so easy to jump into whatever the project might be. And then you go, Whoa, wait, this takes a lot. Not just from maybe just monetary investment, but the time that it takes to really hone those skills and perfect them.

[00:04:12] Chris Agos: [00:04:12] Absolutely. And, you know, voiceover comes really easy to some people and for other people, it doesn’t at all. Um, some people think of it as just reading out loud. I know I did when I was new and it’s, it’s not at all that. Um, so, you know, uh, It, it just helps to do a deep dive, whether that’s in books or on YouTube or, you know, in podcasts or whatever, there’s so much free information available out there now that you ought to be able to get a pretty good sense of what your, you know, how it might.

[00:04:36]Um, what if you are strengths play to that, to that industry or not? Um, You know, one thing is that voice actors spend a ton of time alone and that’s just not for everyone. You know, You know, if you’re one of these actors that think that, you know, that are like, you really get off on that positive reinforcement, you just really, you know, you know, the applause is like the best part of the show at the end.

[00:04:54] You’re not going to get that in VO ever. So like, if you’re looking for that , it’s, it’s not all the same. It’s helpful to know that before you come in, before you go into it.

[00:05:02] Yeah.

[00:05:04] Dane Reis: [00:05:04] All right. Well, let’s move on to our first section here. And Chris, look, I am a sucker for a good quote. What is your favorite quote? You’d like to share with everyone.

[00:05:14]Chris Agos: [00:05:14] There’s an old Japanese proverb. I think at least legend has it, that this is a Japanese proverb and I like it a lot. Um, I’m probably not going to get it exactly right, but it’s something , uh, that I come to time and again, and it’s this don’t fix the blame. Fix the problem.

[00:05:30]Dane Reis: [00:05:30] Oh, that’s a really good, I’ve not heard that on the show. Can you delve into that and expand on that a bit and how it’s applied to your career?

[00:05:37]Chris Agos: [00:05:37] Yeah. You know, I like it because it makes me approach problems with a solution mentality instead of a victim mentality, you know, you know, which I think is a really important distinction for anyone trying to get anything done. You know, there’s, there’s just not much value in assigning blame. Um, it might make you feel good for a minute to be able to point to somebody and say, you caused this, you know, you’re the, you’re the reason I can’t do XYZ, but in the end that’s not going to solve your problem.

[00:06:01] So I find myself pulling that quote out from time to time when my knee jerk reaction is to just blame something or someone , um, It, it just feels like a much more productive use of my time and energy to, to address the problem, fix the problem instead of the blame. And that of course looks different depending on what the issue is that you’re kind of confronted with.

[00:06:23]Um, but I’m, I’m always going back to that quote.

[00:06:25]Dane Reis: [00:06:25] Yeah, I really liked that. I think having complete ownership in whatever you do is, is paramount and it’s, it’s accepting and owning the good stuff and the bad stuff you can’t just, you know, have all the positivity, bad things happen and unfortunate things happen and you need to own those. Right. And I think by doing that, that puts you in the habit of being solution oriented more often because You initially think, Oh yeah, I’ll just unload this issue onto something else by blaming something else. But like you said, nothing goes away. It’s still there. It doesn’t solve anything. Um, who was I reading? I was reading, I think it was a book by grant Cardone. I don’t know if you’ve , uh, read anything from him,

[00:07:01] Chris Agos: [00:07:01] I know the name.

[00:07:03] Dane Reis: [00:07:03] yeah, he’s a big real estate guy.

[00:07:05]I mean, he’s all over Instagram and everything like this, but really good stuff comes out of him. But he said you got to own everything down to, even if you. Got rear-ended for instance uh, , uh, driving around and he’s like,like, it’s your fault take it. He’s like it took you, you had to be at that exact specific place.

[00:07:20] So that exact specific time in the world for you to get rear-ended right. He’s like you could have left your house five seconds earlier or five seconds later, and it wouldn’t have happened. Right. And. He takes it to the extreme level of that. But by doing that, then you do take ownership of everything and you can move forward and always be progressing.

[00:07:42]Chris Agos: [00:07:42] I agree. And I also think with ownership comes control. You know, You know, for me, it’s a control issue and I can’t control what anybody else does, whether it’s somebody who’s auditioning. For the same role I’m I’m auditioning for, or, you know, whether it’s, like you said, somebody who rear-ended me, I have nothing to do with them.

[00:07:57] The only thing I can correct or change or alter in any way is my own actions, my own worldview, my own opinions. Um, my habits. So. I, I don’t know. I just, I like the idea of taking control and I think I liked that because so much of, of an actor’s career really can feel like it’s, everything is out of our control, right?

[00:08:16] Like somebody else’s making, making the decisions for us. Um, and to a certain extent, you look at the reality that’s that is true. I mean, we are dependent on other people. Nobody, nobody is successful in a vacuum in our business. Um, But also, where are you going to spend your energy? Are you going to spend your energy, you know, wishing and hoping that somebody else is going to change or are you going to spend it internally and, and work to better your own station in life, your own worldview?

[00:08:40]Uh, I just think that’s a much more productive outlook.

[00:08:43]Dane Reis: [00:08:43] I agree. Yeah. So good. And let’s get into this next section here. And Chris, of course you are an entertainer. I’m an entertainer. And I think that you’d agree that this industry can be one of the most subjective, brutally, honest and personally emotional industries in existence. And you know, you know, as well as I.

[00:09:03] That in order to create and have a successful career in this industry like you’re having now, it takes a lot of dedication and hard work. And while yes, there is an outrageous amount of fun and excitement doing what we do. There are also our fair share of obstacles, challenges, and failures. We are going to experience and we’re going to have to move forward through.

[00:09:25] So tell us, what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out? The other side better. Because of it.

[00:09:34]Chris Agos: [00:09:34] Yeah, that’s a really good question. And it’s a big question because you know, when you’ve been around, as long as I have, and you’ve, I’ve seen a lot of ups and downs and I’ve, you know, obviously lived through tons of challenges. Um, that’s just the nature of the business, but I think looking back. I think the biggest challenge for a lot of actors, I know it was for me and still is, it can be, is how to deal with the income roller coaster.

[00:09:55]Uh, for me, when I first started, you know, I wanted to be a voice and then I wanted to be an actor, but I also wanted to pay my bills. And one didn’t always allow me to do the other. And you know, this was when I was working in Chicago and after a few years of, of kind of spinning my wheels, I started to have some wins, but I also had tough times with no work.

[00:10:13] And I realized that, you know, the stress I felt during those lean times, Was really having an impact on my acting. You know, You know, when I feel like when I felt like I didn’t have any money that just heightened my anxiety, it put me in the state where I had to book work. I had to do well in every single audition I had to get it.

[00:10:31] And of course, you know, we all know how wonderful that is for your auditions. It’s like the worst thing ever. I mean, you know, so I needed to find a way to deal with that anxiety and. Through classes and getting to know people. I began to realize that there were all these. Separate corners of the industry, these different areas that I could work in and they were all related to acting, but they weren’t front and center in terms of visibility.

[00:10:59] You know, You know, I always thought of actors as people who did TV shows and movies and musicals and all of that, but there’s this whole other side, this whole like sleeper industry that actors work in and it provides really good. Income security because the numbers just work in your favor so much more so in, in those areas.

[00:11:16] So these are things like, these are things like corporate video and video and print work and using the ear prompter, even like standardized patient work or doing trade shows when we’re not in a pandemic. I mean, I mean, admittedly, this is not like sexy work that everyone grows up dreaming that they want to do, but.

[00:11:34]Breaking into that side of things and working regularly in those categories of work allowed me to, by the time I needed to get a foot in the door in terms of the work that I really wanted to do. So once I realized that I could, that if I could learn how to work in those areas, that would help me out with my, my income roller coaster.

[00:11:54] I just went all in on those things. Um, and I, I really have to say that the result is that I’ve. You know, put together a long career. I’ve been able to stay in the business this long. Um, and it’s been very stable. Um, And, you know, even today in the middle of a pandemic, when there’s not a lot of the work that you would traditionally think actors would do things like voiceover are picking up the Slack.

[00:12:12] So because of this concept of diversification in work, because it saved my bacon so much in so many times, you know, I really made that the foundation. For , uh, for the book acting in Chicago and, you know, I preach this whole idea of, you know, be willing to do things that you never imagined yourself doing and be willing to try new things, because you might find that one thing that’s really going to smooth out your income bumps.

[00:12:35]You know, I preach that a lot.

[00:12:37]Dane Reis: [00:12:37] yeah. Be willing to do everything. I love that. Mentality. I like it so much because it’s also the way I’ve managed and conducted my entire career through this industry is I’ve never really worked outside of the industry, but I’ve done all, like you said, these little sleeper corners of the industry that are all connected.

[00:12:56] And what I find is the more you do them, not only. Are you expanding your skillset, but you’re expanding your relationships and your network within the industry. And eventually they all oddly start tying back together. Uh, for instance, one path that I had was I started. Performing. And then I was on a show and some unfortunate events happen.

[00:13:18] They’re like, Hey, can you, can you ASM the show? I said, yeah, I can figure it out. Sure. That led to ASM. And that led to stage managing, to calling the show that connected me with other stage managers that got me on stage watching other shows, which then connected me to then the corporate production and stage management side of things, which is a whole nother world.

[00:13:36] And that rollercoaster just keeps going on. Uh, and I think it’s so cool to do that. And just keep saying yes.

[00:13:42]Chris Agos: [00:13:42] I think that that’s a great example of the benefit of, of that mentality, but also, you know, you were, you were willing to. Take the opportunity when it presented itself. And I just think that, you know, we can plan for anything. We can envision anything we want, but it’s pretty rare that it happens exactly the way we think it’s going to, I remember a really quick story.

[00:14:02] I was , um, I went to. Vegas when I was like 21, right. With a buddy, we, we did the weekend thing. Your typical go drink too much gamble, some money and just kind of be there just to be there. And I remember thinking this was like, right as I was starting, I always kind of knew at the whole acting thing. And I hadn’t really gotten, you know, my footing yet, but I was sort of trying, and I remember making this statement in my head, like thinking, you know what, the next time I go to Vegas.

[00:14:28]it’s going to be under totally different circumstances. I’m going to be one of these high roller guys. I’m going to be asked in, you know, you know, the casinos, they have their whale hunters. Right. And they like bring guys in. And because you gamble a lot , I’m, I’m going to be one of those guys and it’s going to be totally different and acting is going to be the thing that’s going to bring me there.

[00:14:45] And it’s, it was like a decade later. I didn’t go, I didn’t go to Vegas for like a decade after that, but the next time I went to Vegas, I was not a whale. But I was being paid and I was being paid a lot of money to be there. It was not a leisure trip. It was a work trip. And I was like, you know what, this isn’t kind of, this, isn’t how I imagined it.

[00:15:06] But I kinda got there. I mean, I, I mean, I, I didn’t have to pay my way to go. I did not have to pay for my accommodations. Granted, I w I didn’t have a half, a million dollar credit line at a casino, but it still felt like a win. It was still like, this is cool. You know, and I was there presenting at a, at a, at a trade show and it was like a week long gig and it was a five figure payday.

[00:15:29] And I was like, you know what? I’ll take this. This is, this is cool. So. You know, just be willing to try those things because you might reach those goals. The path just might be not at all what you imagined for yourself.

[00:15:39]Dane Reis: [00:15:39] so true. And let’s move on to a time that I like to call your spotlight moment. That one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be an entertainer for a living or maybe it was, yes. This is what I need to be doing in this industry. Tell us about that.

[00:15:59]Chris Agos: [00:15:59] Yeah, that’s a hard question. I, and it’s hard for me because I can’t really point to like a singular moment where something clicked for me. Um, I think it was more of a collection of smaller things that added up , um, plus some early successes and those things told me that maybe this is something I should pursue.

[00:16:15]Um, And, you know, you know, in the end, I just feel like it was a good thing that I recognized the potential in this business very early on. Uh, and because I didn’t know how hard it could be. I just kind of jumped in with no fear. And I mean, in the early days I was like calling ad agencies to get their creative lists.

[00:16:29] I was reaching out to any agent, no matter how big or small they were, I didn’t know anyone or anything. So I didn’t know that you weren’t supposed to do certain things, which I think really was very valuable at the time. Um, so I give myself. You know, credit for being forward thinking in that regard. Uh, but I don’t have that like one moment where I’m like, this is it.

[00:16:46] I am going to be an actor. I acted a little bit as a kid, a little bit in high school. And, you know, once I realized that you could actually have an adult living at it, I was like, Oh, this sounds like something that’s could be potentially more fun than being a doctor. So let’s give this a try. Yeah.

[00:17:02] Dane Reis: [00:17:02] for sure. Well, Well, let’s roll straight into then your number one, booked it. Moment. Walk us through that day. The audition callbacks. If they happen to be a part of it, what was going on in your life? And what about that moment? Makes it your favorite? Booked it moment.

[00:17:23]Chris Agos: [00:17:23] I think my most memorable moment like that to date was when I got the call that I was booked on house of cards. Um, This was a, a bucket list show for me, it was one that I had been a huge fan of since the pilot. And, you know, when the audition came in, I was thrilled to just be able to read for it because it was one of the few shows that I had wanted to work on, even before I moved to LA.

[00:17:45] And you know, the whole reason behind moving from Chicago to LA was to work on things that I couldn’t have access to in Chicago. So just getting the audition was like absolutely confirmation that. You know, we had made a good decision. Yes. Physically being in LA was going to pay off in, in some way. So when the audition came in, you know, I, I worked at with a coach.

[00:18:03]Uh, he was a good friend of mine. We take this thing like 10, like 10 times to get it just right. And when I felt it, you know, when I felt it was in the right place, I sent it off and it felt good to do that. Um, but of course three or four weeks went by and I heard nothing, so I just kinda gave up on it. Uh, and I chalked the audition up as a win.

[00:18:18] You know, You know, sometimes you do that. Sometimes you like, , like, I got into that office, right. I got to audition for that particular project and I didn’t get it, but that, that was a goal, you know? So that’s a win. Um, but I remember being in my car when the phone rang. I remember the intersection I was, I was at, I was at a red light.

[00:18:32] I was first in line, right at the, that the white line at the red light. And it was my manager with the good news that I was the choice. And it was just like, The most amazing feeling because here I was, you know, we, I, we had really struggled with this decision to move to LA. We weren’t sure if it was the right thing to do.

[00:18:50] We, it was expensive. It was complicated. And here was , uh, not only an audition, but a booking that was evidenced that yes, you know, this was a good decision. So it was like a mix of excitement and relief and , um,accomplishments. And it was just a, it was a cool moment. It was fun.

[00:19:05]Dane Reis: [00:19:05] so good. I love it. When it, when it all comes together, go up, and this is why we did this and it makes sense. Oh, great story. And  let’s take. A moment to talk about the present. What projects are you working on now? What are you looking forward to?

[00:19:22] And it’s a weird time, right? We’ve talked about it a little bit with the pandemic and everything going on. How do you see this industry moving forward in the next couple of years?

[00:19:32]Chris Agos: [00:19:32] Yeah, that’s a great question. Um, I mean, I’m like a lot of people right now , I’m,I’m working on finding my next job. That’s the net, that’s the thing I’m working on. And , um, as we record this, the industry is definitely trying to come back to normal , um, trying to come back to a normal production schedule, but there’s still it’s happening in like fits and starts, you know?

[00:19:49]So, um, I’m waiting for the auditions to come back to the same level where they were before. Um, Auditions for, for me, at least personally have started to come back, but very slowly, it’s kind of a trickle. Um, so in, in its place, you know, I’m doing some VL. I’m very lucky that I have clients that still hire me.

[00:20:05] And , um, of course the, the voiceover training books always need attention. Um, so, uh, You know, I’m kind leaning into that. Um, . I’m got my fingers crossed that , uh, a role in a pretty, pretty cool movie might actually happen. But of course, that’s all rumor at this point. So, you know, in terms of where the business is headed, I think.

[00:20:20]I think , uh, the folks who had a job before everything shut down last March are probably the folks that are generally the ones working right now. Um, I think it’ll be some time, obviously. I don’t know when, but, you know, for the rest of the industry to catch up and for insurance to become non a non-issue and , um, the fact that the vaccine rollout is, is happening.

[00:20:40] And as we record this and is rolling, I think is great. Um, I wish I had my crystal ball, but I just, I just don’t know. What I do know is that I suspect that there will be in terms of TV. I work mostly in TV. So, uh, I’m, I’m going to guess in that, in that genre, in that realm , uh, I’m going to guess that there’s going to be a flight to quality.

[00:20:57]Uh, usually when, when there is a lot of risk on the table, you know, people are not as willing to try new things. So I think you should probably expect to see a lot of your favorite actors working in multiple projects at once. Uh, those who have been proven to, to, you know, do well with audiences. And I think what we might see.

[00:21:15]Uh, a bit of a fall off, a little bit in the quantity of shows that are being produced, you know, for awhile there, we kind of topped out at like in the, I think the, the high fours, maybe low 500 scripted series that were being that were in production. Uh, Uh, I, it wouldn’t surprise me if that number got cut pretty significantly because.

[00:21:34]You know, companies just don’t want to risk right now. So that’s my, that’s my prediction for the near future. Um, anything else is just totally up for grabs.

[00:21:43] Dane Reis: [00:21:43] Brilliant. Thank you for that. And. It is time to move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightening round. I am going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible one after another. Are you ready?

[00:22:02] Chris Agos: [00:22:02] I am ready. Bring it on.

[00:22:04] Dane Reis: [00:22:04] Brilliant. First question.

[00:22:05] What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career as an entertainer?

[00:22:10]Chris Agos: [00:22:10] Just not knowing if I could do it. Long-term, you know, I was meant mentally ready to go to med school. That’s a very long-term commitments. And so I was bothered by my age. Right. Like, am I going to be too old? Um, to go back to medical school, if I spend too much time, you know, spinning my wheels doing this.

[00:22:24] So yeah, just the uncertainty was a barrier for sure.

[00:22:27]Dane Reis: [00:22:27] Second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received?

[00:22:32]Chris Agos: [00:22:32] I once had a teacher tell me to set it and forget it. And by that, he meant that when you do an audition, don’t dwell on it for any length of time, give yourself like 10 minutes to think about an audition and what happened in it. See if you can learn anything from that experience, but then forget about it.

[00:22:47] And that has helped me so much.

[00:22:50]Dane Reis: [00:22:50] I could not agree more. And that’s also a sentiment that’s been shared with multiple people on this podcast. And it’s going to show, look, this podcast as a resource is really showing and presenting what is a fundamental practice for those that are super successful in this industry? I think that’s such good advice.

[00:23:12] And the, third question, what is something that is working for you right now? Or if you’d like to go pre COVID, what was working for you before our industry went on? Pause

[00:23:24]Chris Agos: [00:23:24] I think something that works no matter what’s going on in the industry is figuring out what you’re good at and being willing to lean into that. Um, for example, I tend to be cast as a white collar authority figure guy. I’m your lawyer and your astronaut. I’m your secret service agent. And I am okay with that.

[00:23:39] As long as it continues to, to let me work, you know, you know, at a certain point, you do want to branch out for sure, because everybody thinks they can do everything and maybe you can do everything. But if you get kind of stuck in this, in this certain niche, If it’s making you money and it’s, if it’s developing your relationships, then don’t shy away from it.

[00:23:56] Just lean into it until you’re at a position where you can move onto something else.

[00:24:02]Dane Reis: [00:24:02] Oh, so good. And the fourth question, what is your best resource? Whether that’s a book, a movie, a YouTube video, maybe a podcast or a piece of technology you found is helping your career right now.

[00:24:15]Chris Agos: [00:24:15] This might sound in a weird, but honestly, I think my greatest resource right now is , um, the commercials that are being aired on TV and online right now. And the reason for that is because I’m doing a lot of voiceover at the moment. And for me, voiceover runs in trends. It’s very momentum shifting by that.

[00:24:34] I mean that, you know, what’s hot one month or one week frequently changes, you know, month to month. So I do a lot of listening. Um, to what, what winds up on air. And I tied it, try to take those trends into account when I do my audition prep. So I think just listening to what’s out there , um, if you’re in the voiceover is incredibly important.

[00:24:53]Dane Reis: [00:24:53] And. The fifth question. If you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in this industry, what would you do or not do? Would you do anything differently or would you keep it the same?

[00:25:08]Chris Agos: [00:25:08] Yeah. You know, I spent a lot of time waiting for something to change instead of making the change myself. Um, so I would definitely do that differently. I would , uh, rely less on other people and rely a whole lot more on my own decision-making to get me to wherever I wanted to go. And, you know, that just comes from confidence and kind of being around for awhile.

[00:25:29] When I was younger, I just didn’t have that confidence. I didn’t have any knowledge. I did. What I thought I was supposed to do is essentially , um, so if I was going to do it all over again, obviously I would, I would take different steps and be much more proactive in my own career.

[00:25:43]Dane Reis: [00:25:43] Oh, so good. This entire grease lightening round is becoming just like a masterclass of advice. It’s so good. And with that , let’s, let’s wrap it up with the last question. And  what is the golden nugget knowledge you drop? You’ve learned from your successful career in this industry? You’d like to leave with our listeners.

[00:26:02]Chris Agos: [00:26:02] And I’m going to try to do these two really quickly, but the first thing is to be willing to adapt. And it doesn’t matter if that’s in the audition room, somebody gives you a redirect, or if it’s in your choice of coach or what you want out of your career, whatever it is, just be willing to consider adapting and making changes.

[00:26:20] If something’s not working, something’s not working for you. Fire that thing and go hire something else that will possibly work. Um, I don’t think you can be in this business very long if you’re not willing to adapt. And the second thing is. I don’t think you should be results-driven I don’t think that’s, you should look for results in your acting.

[00:26:40] I don’t think you do your careers, uproots pursuits. I don’t think you want to go for a result. Instead. I feel like it’s a whole lot more productive to just be driven by progress because it doesn’t matter what level you’re working at this, at this business, in this business, there is always going to be somebody else who’s working more.

[00:26:58] Who’s getting the jobs you want to get. Who’s having the career. You imagine yourself having, and it’s,it’s easy to get discouraged when those things aren’t going your way. So I think there’s a whole lot more valuable to focus less on results and more on progress. If you’re making progress, you know, you’re working towards a goal you’re developing, you’re doing well.

[00:27:15] And I think ultimately it comes down to controlling what you can control and don’t worry about what you can’t control. And when you do that, results will come. Uh, I think, you know, my focus on the journey as opposed to the destination has made me just a happier actor. It’s it’s one I’ve, I’m one that can hang around longer because I’m not as twisted in knots about how things don’t happen on my timeline.

[00:27:37]Um, it’s definitely contributed to me being around for this long.

[00:27:40]Dane Reis: [00:27:40] yes. I could not agree. More such good advice focusing on the journey. I’ve said it. Multiple times on the show, we’ve had this discussion. The journey is so important. That’s really where that’s where the career is, right. 

[00:27:52] Chris Agos: [00:27:52] Well, that’s where the discovery is, 

[00:27:54] Dane Reis: [00:27:54] exactly. And we all have these moments. We all have these  resume lines that we get, or these peaks in our career.

[00:28:00] We’re like, yes, I wanted that. Right. Right. We can maybe aspire to having these things, but what I’ve always found, tell me if I’m wrong, but once you achieve that thing, you do that show whatever it might be, it happens. You’re grateful for it, but then, then that’s it. You did it. And you’re like, okay, well now what you just have you go back to the work.

[00:28:19] You go back to how you got there in the first place.

[00:28:21] Chris Agos: [00:28:21] Exactly. You know, the, You know, the, the idea of getting to a thing or a place is always a whole lot more tantalizing than the place itself. I mean,  , uh, this is coming from somebody who has been, you know, uh, I’ve, I’ve done shoots from, you know, you know, with a camera guy, a sound guy and a corporate client in an office room, right.

[00:28:40]For $400. And then I’ve seen the other end of it where it’s like, you know, $4 million a day is spent and I’ve done the, the red carpet, walkout, Hollywood, and everything. And those things are cool. But when you get there, you’re like, huh, this is what it’s like. All right. What’s next because there will always be something that’s next.

[00:29:00] And I think you can over-focus on that destination because it’s always moving. It’s a moving target.

[00:29:06]Dane Reis: [00:29:06] Yeah, absolutely. And to wrap up this interview, Chris, it is time to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? Is there anything that you want to promote?

[00:29:20]Chris Agos: [00:29:20] Well, Well, sure you can always follow me on the socials. You know, um, I’m at Chris Otto, S C H R I S a G O S uh, on Instagram and Twitter. Um, you can check out my books on Amazon. Uh, you can also visit complete-voiceover.com, where we have a bunch of books and videos and gear recommendations. It’s a whole little community there.

[00:29:38]Um, and I blog. Pretty regularly on the acting in Chicago website. So if you’re interested in making the Midwest as your base, as an actor , uh, there are plenty of people who do , um, visit acting in chicago.com and check out all the good stuff there.

[00:29:54]Dane Reis: [00:29:54] And for everyone listening out there, I’ve put the links to everything. Chris just said into the description of this episodes, you can easily connect with him and also be sure to share this podcast with your fellow entertainers, coaches, teachers, art, and entertainment educators, and anyone, you know, you know, aspiring to create a career in.

[00:30:15] This industry you booked. It is the number one resource of expertise on how to actually create a successful entertainment career case in point, everything Chris just dropped here today so much gold. Make sure you rewind, especially that. Grease lightening round. Listen to that again. If you enjoy the episode, 

[00:30:35] please hit that subscribe button. So you don’t miss the next guest. Chris, thank you so much for being here today. It’s been an absolute pleasure to have you on the show.

[00:30:45] Chris Agos: [00:30:45] I really, really, really appreciate it. And it was great chatting with you. You’ve got great questions. I’ve listened to the PAG podcast for a while. It’s awesome. Always good information. So I’m happy to be a part of it.

[00:30:55]Dane Reis: [00:30:55] Thank you.