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EP 192: Hayley Jay Jones (autogenerated)

Dane Reis: [00:00:00] you booked it episode 192. Oh, okay. Let’s get this started. I am excited to introduce my guest today. Haley J Jones. Are you ready for this Hailey? All right, Haley. He is a professional commercial dancer with a career spanning over 12 years.

[00:00:25] She has worked extensively in TV as a backup dancer, appearing in shows and music videos for artists such as Camilla QBO, Dua Lipa, Robbie Williams, pink Floyd, Ava max, little mix and Cheryl Cole to name, but a few working on TV shows such as X-Factor MTV, EMS, the Brit. Award the Royal variety show Graham Norton, the Jonathan Ross show, as well as appearing in adverts for Pringles.

[00:00:53] Bailey’s just eat American express,   Manolo Blahnik and dancing blockbuster films such as rocket man. Haley that is a quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done, but why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself? Fill in the gaps and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry.


[00:01:16] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:01:16] I’m Haley. I’m from London. I’m actually originally from Essex, but I’ve been living in London now for 12 years, which is how long I’ve been dancing professionally for probably the last five or six years. I’ve been predominantly dancing as a commercial dancer. However, I’ve had a very varied career and I’ve been very fortunate to have traveled all over the world with work.

[00:01:38] And I’ve. Met some amazing people and beat some amazing places. So you have been very, very fortunate, very lucky. And the last five years I’ve also been working at the box, which is a nightclub in Soho, and there’s also one in New York. Um, , essentially it’s a nightclub, but there are two shows at night.

[00:01:59] So there’s. Everyone sits down and there’s a stage and there’s singers and there’s dances. There’s all kind of weird and wonderful skill performance circus at fire breezes. So it’s total is, you know, you know, if you’ve been to the books, it’s actually a bit of a crazy mental night out, but I’ve kind of been doing that at night, which is great because I’ve been dancing in a real last show.

[00:02:19] I suppose, this is my side job. And. Alongside that what can in the industry in the day and come into auditions and go into classes and yeah, basically trying to hold down a night job and a day job. So the last five years have been incredibly busy. Um, I’ve had lots of fun, not much sleep, but probably be contrast to how my last 10 months have been spent.

[00:02:47]So. Yeah, it’s been a good, busy time. So I’ve been fairly lucky. Yeah, I would say that probably definitely caught up on my lack of

[00:02:54] sleep now.

[00:02:55]Dane Reis: [00:02:55] yeah. Good. And I get it. You are all over the place for sure. I mean, I was watching just your real and very cool. Work with so many amazing people, like we talked about in your bio real quick , uh, but amazing stuff, very clear that you are kind of non-stop working, which is fantastic to say in this industry, Hey,

[00:03:14] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:03:14] Yeah. Do you know what it’s? I think the last few years, it just really picked up and it took a long time to get the ball rolling. It took a long time, but you know, they say like you wait along for ages. And then all of a sudden, two buses coming on at once, that is literally what happened.

[00:03:30] Dane Reis: [00:03:30] so good. He’s got to stick it out and keep moving forward. Right. So let’s dig into this first section here and Haley, look, I am a sucker for a good quote. What is your favorite quote? You’d like to share with our listeners?

[00:03:44]Hayley Jay Jones: [00:03:44] Sure. If this is a quote that maybe maybe more of a mantra, I’m not sure, but I would definitely say that you need to be your number one fan. I mean, you need to be a biggest hype man. Basically, you know, this industry is tough and you are going to get rejected. More times than you book a job. And really essentially, although this sounds a bit harsh, no one really cares about your career as much as you do, you know?

[00:04:11]So it’s up to yeah, exactly. You know, as much as it would be amazing. Like, could you imagine having a coach that like wakes you up in the morning and forces you to go to that audition that you’re really nervous about or makes you go to class the next day, even though you’re feeling a bit rubbish because you didn’t book a job, you know, really.

[00:04:25]You know,  this career, it’s the most important thing to you. So you need to be the one that’s going to pick yourself up and pat yourself on the back and be like, okay, come on, we’ve got this. Let’s go like with every knock back, it’s going to be hard, but, you need to be the one that’s going to motivate yourself and get yourself out of bed in the morning.

[00:04:44] And so force yourself to train at class and yeah, it’s, I think it’s the motivation and the confidence and the self-belief

[00:04:53] needs to come from me because you know, as cliche as it sounds, no, one’s going to believe in you unless you believe in yourself. 

[00:05:00]Dane Reis: [00:05:00] true? 

[00:05:01] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:05:01] So yeah, I think you need to have self-belief so. Yeah, you need to be your number one fan,

[00:05:05] always. 

[00:05:06]Dane Reis: [00:05:06] I a hundred percent uh, , uh, greet with you. Yes. I mean, unless you have someone on payroll, they’re not going to be waking you up and motivating you or trying to keep you motivated , uh,to do your job and help you with all those things it has to come from within. Right.

[00:05:21]Hayley Jay Jones: [00:05:21] Yeah, absolutely. I mean, as much as you could maybe have like an agent that is great and really has your back or crux, so that really takes the liking to you. You know, you have to, you can’t really put any, you can’t rely on anyone else. It has to come from you and you really have to be like, Quite tough and build some resilience, you know?

[00:05:39]Cause you’re going to take a little bit of a battery in, in this industry. So you just have to be like, okay, let that one guy let’s just

[00:05:44] move on.

[00:05:45]Dane Reis: [00:05:45] Yeah. And you know what? I think it’s also. What are those things that we naturally have , like, especially when we’re fresh and bright eyed and bushy tailed into this industry , we, we tend to have a lot of that confidence and we really are, you know, our own, you know, height man, right? Like, as you said, but it’s as we go through the career and things like that, and we have those upsets that it’s, sometimes it gets harder to keep that energy and keep the momentum.

[00:06:07] But you, but to remember that. That’s where you started and to try to always pull back and remember what your energy was like in the beginning. Actually, it kinda reminds me yesterday. So as we’re recording this, it was , um, I guess it’s Valentine’s day today where you’re at. Right.

[00:06:22]And , uh, because of daughter and she wanted to make Valentines. So we were making Valentines and I said , well, where do you want to make them for us? She goes, I want to make them for everyone that I love. I said, Oh, that’s really nice. And she goes, and I said , well, who are those people? So we started listing them off.

[00:06:35] And then she goes and myself, 

[00:06:37] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:06:37] Ah, 

[00:06:39] Dane Reis: [00:06:39] that’s amazing. Like, yes, but that’s kind of where it is. I’m like you’re four years old. You have no idea. And you are already saying, Oh, I love myself. And I mean, in a way, remembering, Hey, that’s how so many of us are at such a young age, but then to keep that, and she’s her own biggest fan through life.

[00:06:55] And just to keep to remember that energy and, you know, through your career, it’s amazing.

[00:07:00] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:07:00] Oh, that’s amazing that she’s only four years old and she thinks that already. And I think as kids we’re still like, Innocent. And, and I think, you know, we haven’t had the stresses of life or anything, you know, I think we can get really lost in, in like wanting to get this job. I do think he just needs to take some time , like, just sit back and read it.

[00:07:16] Like, why are we doing this? It’s just, you know, let’s not do it for the Instagram posts. Let’s not do it because my dad sent me to that job. I really don’t want to go. Like, let’s just really take it back and be like, why am I doing this? Like, do I really want to do this job? Like, okay, of course I do. But let’s not get so carried away.

[00:07:31] Like it can be quite anxiety inducing, you know, it’s very nerve wracking. We’re putting ourselves out there to get rejected every single day. You know, we go into a room of a panel and sometimes we go one at a time of freestyle. Like you’ve got no clue what it is that you’re going to be doing that day.

[00:07:46] And it, you know, we are putting ourselves out there exposing ourselves, so it can be. HOD. And I just think at the end of the day, just come back and be like, okay,

[00:07:57]you’ve got this, you’ve got this. Like, if you really want to do it, you know, obviously if you don’t want to do it, that’s fine. Like, honestly, don’t put yourself through the pain.

[00:08:06] But I do think it’s really important that, you know, as much as it’s great to have, you know, your friends around you, that can pick you up and stuff, you need to kind of find that strength from within.

[00:08:15]Dane Reis: [00:08:15] for sure. And I think everything you just said in that whole, that whole section was so good. And it’s going to lead in, I think, into this next bit pretty well. So Hailey, of course you are an entertainer. I’m an entertainer. And I think. I think that you would agree that this industry can be the most subjective, brutally, honest and personally emotional industries in existence.

[00:08:39] Like we were just talking about and, you know, you know, as well as I, that in order to create and have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now does take a lot of dedication and hard work. And while yes, there is an outrageous amount of fun and excitement doing what we do. There are also our fair share of obstacles.

[00:09:00] Challenges failures. We are going to experience and we’re going to have to move forward through. So tell us what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out the other side better because of it.

[00:09:15]Hayley Jay Jones: [00:09:15] Oh, I’m, this is probably not a failure, but maybe more of a hindrance. And this was like I was saying at the beginning, it took me quite a long time to get the ball rolling. And this is what , um, Uh, uh, probably go, I’ll get it out first and then I’ll, and then I’ll backtrack on to it. But basically the first few, maybe five years of my career, the music scene was very different to what it is now.

[00:09:38] It was kind of plump bland, kind of miniature sound music , uh, which is quite different to the kind of. Music that is popular at the moment. And obviously with commercial dancing, whatever music is popular, that’s the music that you’re going to be dancing to and then come different kind of dance styles with that.

[00:09:52]Um, and I, it must’ve been about five or six years. This was the type of music it has changed recently and every single audition was. For girls, five foot six and above. And if you work five for six and above, you could not get an audition. You couldn’t get your foot in the door. I’m five foot three. So I just found it so frustrating at the beginning of my career, because I was fresh out of college.

[00:10:17] I had all this energy. I was like amazing. All my tool friends could get to these auditions and I couldn’t even get seen. And it was just the most frustrating time for me because. Along with your talent comes lots of other things by you book a job. It’s not just your talent and in the commercial world, especially there back then, they liked a lot of girls to be similar high and aesthetically looking quite similar. And obviously there’s nothing I can do about my height. You know, that’s just, that’s just me. Like my dancing would get me so far. And I remember a few times they were maybe a couple of open auditions, so I ended up going to, and they still want to talk hours, but I, kind of got myself. I kind of went away in and I remember this happened for a couple of years and I would go to these auditions and I’d get through all the rounds and I’d get to the end every single time.

[00:11:04] And it would be, you know, a six, seven hour audition, you know, it’s a whole day, it’s exhausting and we would get in a lineup and it always ends with lineup. You’ve danced all this rounds. And then at the end they go, okay, let’s get in the night, obviously shorter to tool. And I would always be. The shortest girl, I was always the girl in the end and they would always say, I’m sorry, we just need four girls for this.

[00:11:25] We’re going to cut the two shorter scars. And I would feel like, Oh, I can’t do anything about that. And I think because I was getting close, but not quite getting it, it seemed kind of more than it was teasing. I was like, Oh, that’s kind of worse than just not getting an audition at all. Um, but obviously again, something that.

[00:11:42]Was that of my control. So it kind of taught me patience because there’s just something and acceptance, I suppose, because I can’t change anything about that. So I just continued to keep going to class and stuff. But I have to say in the last five years it was weird because I was always the shortest answer.

[00:11:59] Whereas now when I do jobs, that’s kind somehow. Um, in the middle, I don’t know where all these dots have come from, but it’s really changed. And choreographers and costume directors are really championing individuality, and it’s actually amazing because they don’t always now want it aesthetically to look the same.

[00:12:21] They are kind of wanting different Heights, sizes, hair, tattoos, boys, dancing in, you know, you know, Changed drastically in probably the last couple of years, it’s really changed. And it’s amazing because now everyone’s getting their fair chance. So it’s really lovely to stay. And I think, although it took me a long time, it took me five years to even give some of the short belts, some of the jobs.

[00:12:48] I really do appreciate every single job I get. And I think it’s. Really important to experience the struggle and not expect things to come easy. So it definitely taught me patience and perseverance. And I, and I think as well, if you are, you know, a dance that’s, that’s starting, I was still dancing now, you know, you, you might be right for everything and you might not be  now, but your time will come and, you know,

[00:13:12]Those jobs where they’re looking for exactly you, that will, that will come, you know, I didn’t know that the industry was going to change and that they will start going to, you know, it just so happens that a lot of artists in England for some reasons seem to be smaller.

[00:13:25] So obviously now they want some of the smaller dancers and it just, that just happens. And you can’t control that or predict that. So just keep going because something will come up for you. That will be

[00:13:36] right for you. 

[00:13:37]Dane Reis: [00:13:37] yeah, just keep going. I think that’s it right there. Because like you said, it is frustrating because it is so far out of your control, you know, whether or not, especially when it’s your height, right. Come on. You, you just do what you do and that’s all you can do and guess is frustrating, but just keep going, I think is the biggest takeaway there because things will change.

[00:13:57] Things will come round and the work that’s meant for you will be there for you. As long as you stay in the game. As long as you keep going forward.

[00:14:04] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:14:04] Yeah, keep working hard. Keep going to class, keep doing what you’re doing and it will. I definitely think, you know, there were a few people that were kind of my cause when you leave college, you start to see people be like, Oh wait, six months of college with a year between all of these people are working and working.

[00:14:20] And there’s been some people that have been out of college for like nine years and then they managed to book that they’re amazing job. And it’s just so lovely to see, especially. Now that I’ve been out for 12 years, I’ve seen that happen. I’ve seen it happen straight away. And I’ve seen it happen later on for people in life.

[00:14:34] And for me, it happened, you know, five or six years out and when you’re out, but it feels like you’ve been out in industry for a long time, but I do have faith that it will happen and I, I have seen it happen and it happened to me. I’m sure the person I ended up

[00:14:47] working. So. 

[00:14:47] Dane Reis: [00:14:47] there you go. Well, Well, let’s move on to a time that I like to call your. Spotlight moment. That one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be an entertainer for a living or maybe it was, yes, this is what I need to be doing as an entertainer.

[00:15:09]Hayley Jay Jones: [00:15:09] Okay, this is normally, it’s quite a long story, but I’m going to cut it down. And my friends always laugh when I tell this story. But. When I was in massage college, we auditioned for pantomimes and I booked a panto in Manchester. And so this was my first job because I was still at college. So they allow you to have like Christmas off and you move away.

[00:15:30] And I went to Manchester and I did a Cinderella at the Manchester opera house. And it was amazing. I loved it. I had the best time and it was just amazing work experience. And. It was a pantomime. If you’ve ever seen it is just really funny and ridiculous, and you can kind of get away with being ridiculous and hilarious on stage.

[00:15:50] So actually, although the group and the crew are, people were normally so lovely actually even on stage is just such a fun job. It’s just so ridiculous. And I remember you have to understudy.

[00:16:05]One of the main characters, if you’re a dance, so you sing and act and you do everything. And then they’re like a case.

[00:16:12] So I was not the strongest singer and actually I didn’t have singing lessons for a whole year, my third year because they thought I had nodules. So it hadn’t had, I basically been on voice rest for almost a year and all the girl dancers in my pantomime, weren’t very good singers. And I ended up being the strongest singer.

[00:16:32] Which is ridiculous. I was going to have to go on stage at the Manchester opera house, which is this beautiful theater and have to sing a song when I’m really, I’m not a very strong thing at all. I don’t know how it happened, but we just all ended up being on the same show together. And I had to understudy the favorite godmother who at the time was being paid by Bernie Nolan.

[00:16:56]Who unfortunately is no longer with us, but she was so lovely. And I remember it was new year’s Eve and it was 20 minutes before the curtain went up and they’re like, Hey Lee, you got off of Bernie. We need to get into like heroin, heroin costume now. And I was thinking, Oh my God, I need to go through the song.

[00:17:12] Can I can at least practice the song? And they were like, you’ll be fine. We need to just get you in your question. And obviously it’s 20 minutes. We don’t want to hold the show too much. So I remember I did learn with the lines actually, and I had feeling that I might go on. So I was like on, I just need to concentrate on this song.

[00:17:27] I’m going to learn the lines. I’m going to be fine. So I’m kind of thrust on stage very quickly. I didn’t have time really to process anything at all. And I’m just having a really lovely time. Like this is what I was saying. I was on stage and I just thought, my God, this is, this is so fun. This is amazing.

[00:17:44] I’m just flicking much litter around and changing the scenes. It was just so over the top and, you know, cause I was in my third year, I hadn’t had any experiences on stage and I, it was just, I just had the best 

[00:17:55] time and I was getting so carried away in that though. I heard the intro for the song and the song was.

[00:18:02]Miracles by Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston,

[00:18:05]which is quite a big step. 

[00:18:07] Dane Reis: [00:18:07] Uh, Uh, yeah.

[00:18:09] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:18:09] Especially because I also had, I think I sung it with the MD maybe twice and I, I was at the front of the stage and I’ve got this big spotlight on me. And that’s when, obviously like you can see everyone, like everyone is looking at me and I could hear the piano when didn’t and I just thought, Oh my gosh, it’s here.

[00:18:28] I was, I looked down at the MTA and I was like, Oh my God, this is a sink or swim moment. Like I could, I just need to run off the stage. I, I don’t know what to do. Like I honestly, I don’t think. I’ve ever faced fear, even now as much as I did that, I was so nervous. And then he went again and didn’t I, not all I remember from it, it was such a blur.

[00:18:50] I just remember being like,

[00:18:55] like I was just so nervous and the whole thing has gone in a flash and the curtains come down and I just remember, I just burst into tears. I was like, Oh, I just had. So much adrenaline and exhaustion and everything was pumping around my body. I just couldn’t process the emotion and the curtains came up again and everyone was clapping and just, I think it was just adrenaline and joy.

[00:19:23] Like, Like, this is amazing, but it was like really terrifying. It was just such a mix of emotions, but I was a bit like, yeah, this is great. I, to like, Well, you must have fit into things that like completely terrified me, but always like I’m having the best time ever. Um, 

[00:19:40] that’s when I was like, this is amazing. I’m going to do this for a job. This is great. I love it. So yeah, every time I really tell that I, I literally lived through the fear and I’m like, Oh my God, it makes me,

[00:19:55] Dane Reis: [00:19:55] so good. 

[00:19:57] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:19:57] that. I don’t like when you’re younger, I think you do have less fear. And I still look back and I say, I can’t believe I was like 20 years old and I just sung in that massive theater. America was my Academy. Oh, it’s just something I’ll never forget that

[00:20:13] moment.

[00:20:14]Dane Reis: [00:20:14] so good. Love that story. And let’s piggyback on it real quick and talk about your number one, booked it moment. Walk us through that day, the auditions and callbacks. If they happen to be a part of it, what was going on in your life? And what about that moment? Makes it your favorite? Booked it moment.

[00:20:34] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:20:34] Do you know what I think, I think two jobs come to mind with this actually. And I actually think it’s because I really. Loved the jobs so much. They’re up there with, I think probably my favorite jobs and also luck came into it for me. And I have to say, I never really felt like luck had played a part too much in my career so far.

[00:20:55] And I, I remember these teachers be like, Oh my gosh, if that hadn’t have happened, I wouldn’t have got these jobs. I’ll say the first one, actually in a nutshell, but it was for rocket man. And originally I didn’t get an audition. I sent my CV through my agent and I, you know, they didn’t want to see me and I was working at the box.

[00:21:13] So I would quite often take the books was great. Cause it was very flexible. I could tell them when I got work and I could just take the full week off or as, you know, lots of jobs, some things coming very, very last minute. Or auditions come in fairly last minute. So actually quite often I’d find myself working the night before having three hours sleep and go into an audition.

[00:21:32] And I remember it was about 11 o’clock at night. My friend was helping , um, the choreographer on the show and he messaged me saying, have you got Rocky Mount audition? Do you want to come tomorrow? I can bring five friends. And I was thinking, Oh my gosh, this is amazing. Um, yeah, I mean, I’m working tonight, but great. So I have to be able to sleep and I went and it was, I loved the audition. I was exhausted, but fine. Went to work again that night. And then I’ve got recall for the next day, went to the audition and there’s something really satisfying about being really exhausted and pushing through. And then it working out that you ended up booking the job because so many times you’ve sourced yourself and you know, you take time off work and.

[00:22:10] You put your time and energy and effort into something and you don’t get it when you’ve been so close and that’s really gutting, but when you do do it, I was just, I remember getting in a taxi home and I was so tired, but I just thought, Oh my gosh, I pushed my body. I cannot push my body or my brain any more than I have today.

[00:22:28]Like if I get that job, it’s just I’m I think I’m going to cry and I did end up clicking it, which was just so lucky because I didn’t originally get. And audition. So it was pure for pure luck. I actually got that. So that was great. And the other one was for when we did commit like a bio and it was for MTV, EMA audition is a massive, massive, massive audition that, and the X-Factor audition every year in the UK, people fly from all over the world to come.

[00:22:56] And I think I was number 1000, 278 at the EMS. And again, it was, I was worked out before. There’s a massive queue. Like I think the doors normally open about, say 9:00 AM people get there at 7:00 AM and there’s already a cube around, around the building. So you’re kind of human for about five or six hours even before you get seen.

[00:23:19] And that was another one. And I, it’s weird to think now because obviously everything is social distance, but that will addition. You are crammed in there’s so many people to get through. There’s about a hundred of you at time that learned to retain, you will literally stepping on each other’s toes, elbow, and people give up other people’s sweat on you.

[00:23:37] Like it was so close contact. It just seems bizarre. Now that we were that close before and you couldn’t see the choreographer, you know, if you went back and you would switch lines, you know, they would say switch lines here, and that it would take you about three switches before you got to the front. It was so busy. And I remember just me and my friend, Brooke, in that one together, which was amazing. Cause I’d never really booked any jobs so I could dance opposite my friends. So there’s something really special about booking a job with your like really close friends and the actual choreography. And the job was just amazing.

[00:24:10] It was at Wembley arena and that was one of the moments again, where. We came off stage and because of the adrenaline, you know, like when you’re in an arena, I don’t think you appreciate the role of people. And when you, when you are rehearsing, you don’t have a crowd there. So, and you’re quite often standing on stage , uh, wholesale before your number comes on.

[00:24:28] I remember it was Liam Payne. And we were on stage for the whole time and you’re kind of watching other people do their routine, but I’m like, okay, don’t watch them. You know what you’re doing? And then the track obviously changes to yours, but the role is so loud that you’re thinking on that, gosh, has the truck started now?

[00:24:44] If I missed it, you know, like you have all these things going through your head and you can’t see anyone else because you’re pitch black. Um, but it was really nerve wracking, and also really enjoyable. Again, like I was saying, the panto was, and when we came off. We were just so excited and just filled with adrenaline.

[00:25:00] We just all hugged each other and cry. And I’m not normally the person that tries in, in like life ever, or even when I get like emotional, I’m pretty like I can hold it together, but that, and the pantry look at man, you know, I think that’s when I know that they. Really meant something because I’ve really been like, Oh my gosh, like I could not have given it any more.

[00:25:20] And that feeling on stage was just exhilarating. It was just amazing. I just loved it. So yeah , those, those moments, they’re the ones that you’re like, Oh, it’s worth it. It’s so worth it for this like one job. Like, you know, you might not do a Marina job for like, again, you might do it once in your life or you might do it like once every two years, but it’s really worth it.

[00:25:39] And. Yeah, that’s so enjoyable. I just,

[00:25:42] I loved it. 

[00:25:43]Dane Reis: [00:25:43] Yeah, so good. I agree. Arena stuff is bonkers. It’s way fun and the energy you’re right. You, it’s hard to. You can’t really describe it unless you’ve experienced it. It is so unique , uh, to have all of that energy just like shoved at you in the center of , uh, of an 

[00:26:01] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:26:01] It’s so overwhelming. Isn’t it? It isn’t like a complete mix of like, I am so terrified right now, but

[00:26:07] also I’m having the best time. 

[00:26:09] Dane Reis: [00:26:09] yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s That’s that’s about right. Uh, and also. You said , uh, luck with rocket man, but you want to know what yes. Sunblock for sure. But I also heard that it’s also the relationships that you had previously, because it was your friend that was assisting on that show that thought of you and text you.

[00:26:28]Right. It’s amazing how important relationships are in this, in this industry.

[00:26:32] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:26:32] Oh, yeah, absolutely. It really is. And, and I do think, you know, everyone’s going through their own things, so just everyone is nervous. Everyone is worried about messing up the cork fee for an audition, you know, just. I think just really to be kind, just be nice to each other. You know, everyone’s having a bit of a hard time on that day.

[00:26:50] Like no one is, we’re all kind faking it in a way, you know, but we’re like, I can’t be caught this, but yeah, I think it’s really important to just give everyone the time and, and treat everyone , um, the same, you know, there’s no hierarchy here, you know, you don’t need to treat people. Differently or, you know, because they’ve not worked or because they’ve worked, you know, I just think that we’re all humans at the end of the day and just, yeah, just be nice to each 

[00:27:13] other.

[00:27:13]Dane Reis: [00:27:13] for sure. And let’s take a moment to talk about the present. What projects are you working on now? What are you looking forward to? And. We are amidst this wild global pandemic. How do you see the entertainment industry moving forward in the next couple of years?

[00:27:32]Hayley Jay Jones: [00:27:32] Yeah, work in on my yoga, which has been great because I’ve never really had, especially in the last five years, I haven’t had time to do any kind of exercise whatsoever. So every single day I do my yoga. I do my meditation and I was actually lucky enough in September. Last year I went to Ibiza when things were a little bit more ripen and I got my yin teacher qualification and I’m actually meant to be in Bali right now getting my 200 hour teacher qualification.

[00:28:02]Um, but Alaska that wasn’t meant to be, but I have got plenty of reading to do. I’m kind of treating or have been treating this last 10, 11 months. Kind of a a study gear. I’ve got so much to read up on. I’m kind of teaching myself and I’m doing classes every day, physical classes, and then teaching myself all about , well, my gosh, there’s so much to learn with yoga.

[00:28:24] It’s not just about the post-its, that’s a, that’s a whole other story. 

[00:28:28] So yeah, that’s keeps me busy. And obviously along with yoga comes. Mindfulness and meditation, and actually it’s, it’s great because in these uncertain times where everything is out of our control, it’s actually been really beneficial for me to prepare myself really for whatever life is going to throw at me and, and just take each day as it comes and just, just kind of live in the present, you know, not kind of stress about what’s going to happen in the future.

[00:28:51] So it’s actually been really great for my mind and my body. So. Very thankful for yoga. That’s got me through knocked down, but I do think the industry will come back. I do, and I, you know, dancers are relentless and they are persistent. And do you know, I think we’ve already chosen a really hard career. You know, You know,there’s no kind of tastes that you’re even going to pick a job in this industry and we chose to do it anyway.

[00:29:17] So I think dancers won’t be going out without a fight, you know? you know? And I’ve seen dance. So like creative, I think just dancing is one part of the creative creativity. I’ve seen so many amazing concept videos that dance a put together. And this is basically basically sorry, like producing a whole music video, but without the singer.

[00:29:39] So it’s kind of the main focus is the fair, but you know, they also do the film work themselves and. The hair, the makeup, the costumes, the set, everything. And there was so much talent. And I think the industry could definitely look different to how it has been. And I think we kind of all discovering creative parts of us that maybe we didn’t know we had before, or we didn’t need to use before.

[00:30:07] So I think, I think the industry could be different, but. In a good way, but I think it would definitely come back. Yeah. It might take a while to get things going again, but once it gets things go in, I think it will come back with a bang. I, I feel like there’s this newfound respect for dances and all parts of the clueless as well as just the artist.

[00:30:29]Dane Reis: [00:30:29] Yeah, for sure. Couple of past guests, if you do you know of Jessica Lee golden, do you know her? 

[00:30:37] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:30:37] No. 

[00:30:37]Dane Reis: [00:30:37] She had done loads of Broadway things, but she’s got some incredible , uh, videos go check her out on Instagram. She was an also her, her episode on the show is really good. And then there’s also Jamie  J K choreography she’s out of Vegas also.

[00:30:51] I think she just dropped today a fantastic video. Um, but if you enjoy watching that stuff, check it out. Two really good 

[00:30:58] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:30:58] Yeah, I do. I mean, I just think they’re

[00:30:59] amazing aren’t they. 

[00:31:01]Dane Reis: [00:31:01] Yeah, really good, really great stuff. And it is time to move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightning round. I am going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible one after another. Are you ready? 

[00:31:21] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:31:21] Yes.

[00:31:22]Dane Reis: [00:31:22] All right.

[00:31:22] First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career as an entertainer? 

[00:31:27] Second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received?

[00:31:34] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:31:34] that’s hard because I’ve probably ever saved lives. I probably can’t also, but I would say more recently , um, the correct Fest for the . Sarah and Talbot they’re from LA. Actually, they said that because , um, they couldn’t really tell how we danced in our audition video. So they had a look on all of our Instagrams and basically booked us through Instagram because we had already dance videos for class that we’d uploaded.

[00:32:05] And basically that I think Instagram. Started off maybe as a bigger thing in America than, than England. But definitely now I’m playing catch up with Instagram because I was late to the game because I’m a little bit older than everyone else, but it’s your online CV. So it’s really, really important that you upload how you look in the life and also your classes and you physically dance in.

[00:32:27] So they can really like get a taste for who you

[00:32:29] are and what you don’t like. 

[00:32:31]Dane Reis: [00:32:31] yes, your online CV. That’s so true. It’s so important. It is become vital to having a successful career in this industry, whether you like it or not. You got to jump on board. 

[00:32:42] Beautiful. And the third question, what is something that is working for you right now? Or if you’d like to go pre COVID, what was working for you before our industry went on?

[00:32:53] Pause. 

[00:32:54] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:32:54] Probably pre COVID learning to say no, because I would go to every single audition. And at the time I was also working either at the books or five other jobs, because I’ve always thought that if you’re busy, that means you’re successful. I’ve learned the hard way. And. Actually, because I would go to everything I would exhaust myself out and then I’d get a last minute audition at the weekend that I really wanted.

[00:33:17] And I was so tired that I couldn’t perform my best. So definitely reserve your energy.  so you can look after yourself. So basically you can be on top form for the job that you really, you know, really.

[00:33:28]Dane Reis: [00:33:28] for sure. Uh, the copy out being, I think is you want to, you want to stay on the side where you’re being selective about the things, but not. Justifying some way to just not do the work. You still have to say yes, the vast majority of the time, you still have to show up and do all of that work. And the more times you say yes, you get to build more relationships, more networking possibilities within the industry.

[00:33:51] That means you get thought of, for different , uh, projects, which then gives you the freedom. To say no in the future, but in the beginning you definitely need to do that foundation work

[00:34:03]Hayley Jay Jones: [00:34:03] definitely. Yeah. And I do think as well, there is so much in actually just getting your face out there, like whether it’s going into class and seeing people and people just recognizing you, because even if you just. Walk past someone all the time at class, and then they’re taken an audition the next time.

[00:34:18] They’re already going to know who you are and people are always drawn to faces.

[00:34:21] They 

[00:34:22] recognize 

[00:34:23]Dane Reis: [00:34:23] Yeah, 

[00:34:24] A hundred percent. 

[00:34:24] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:34:24] definitely. But yeah, I definitely was going to, 

[00:34:30] I was,

[00:34:31] you know, there’s closed additions and there’s open auditions and. The closed auditions are normally through your agent, but I would still be like, but I’m also going to go to this open audition.

[00:34:39] And sometimes it was jobs that I would just do. Like if I was just work, sometimes they weren’t even maybe jobs I wanted to do, but I feel like I just need to book a job. And I think that’s when you need to be smart and be like, okay, but what jobs do I want to do? Let’s not like spread myself thinly over all areas.

[00:34:53]Like. Let’s just concentrate on one thing. And, and when, when you really work hard in that area, that’s when you probably will find that all work out for you. Whereas like I definitely did spread myself over all different, different layers of the industry to start with.

[00:35:05]Dane Reis: [00:35:05] Yeah. Yeah. But Hey, you found your way. Right. And that’s amazing. 

[00:35:08] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:35:08] Yes. 

[00:35:09]Dane Reis: [00:35:09] Beautiful. And the fourth question, what is your best resource? Whether that is a book, a movie, a YouTube video, maybe a podcast or a piece of technology you found is helping your career right now.

[00:35:22] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:35:22] Oh, my gosh, definitely a tripod stand with a ring light. I’ve been doing acting and adverts the last couple of years. So I’ve been going to like auditions in real life. But with lockdown. I’ve had hardly any dance auditions, but more acting auditions. And I’ve been filming myself on my iPhone. I would open a drawer, halfway, tilt my phone in at the right angle, try and fill myself type quickly before the troll wouldn’t close.

[00:35:48] The drawer was slowly closed in and the phone would flip down. So I’d have to be like, try, like say everything really quickly and get it a bit, flux it down. So I, it, yeah, that is. Makes your life so much easier, just infested. It’s literally about 30 pounds, but yeah, definitely a try put stamper, bring life has made

[00:36:09] life a lot easier. 

[00:36:11]Dane Reis: [00:36:11] Oh, so good. And the fifth question, if you had to start your career from scratch,  but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in this industry. What would you do or not do. Would you do anything differently or would you keep the same?

[00:36:26] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:36:26] I would definitely do some research into what classes would benefit me and maybe not waste time, go into classes that maybe weren’t pushing me or not really the classes that I needed to be doing to be working as a commercial dancer.

[00:36:41] So it took me quite a few years to kind of. kind of. Work out what choreographers I wanted to work with, whose classes I liked doing what styles I need to improve, you know, because you need to, to be a commercial dancer, you need to be pretty versatile. You know, you could be doing OnPoint for one job. You could be doing hip hop and another, you could be doing house or Lindy hop.

[00:37:00]So. Versatility is really important. So definitely get yourself to lots of different style of classes. But I think if I were to go back in. And, and start again and, you know, straight out of college, I would probably focus on the classes and the characters I really, really wanted to work with and get into their classes and see how they teach, see their style of dance, because then when you get in an audition room with them, you know, they already know you, they recognize your face and you already know how they’re going to take the class, you know, their personality, what they like, what they don’t like.

[00:37:33] And. I think that’s really important. And I think if you want to be a commercial dancer, so many photographers do, which is great teach classes, so go along to them and, you know, follow them on Instagram check when they’re in town and watch their styles and Instagram, you know, you can watch a class and see if that’s the class for you, which is great.

[00:37:54] So yeah, that is, that is probably what I would. Do differently. I think it just took me a long time to kind of work out what kind of style or even what kind of jobs there is that I wanted to be doing. And the classes that I really should have been going into to really, you know, push myself a bit

[00:38:12] harder.

[00:38:13]Dane Reis: [00:38:13] I think that’s such good advice to intelligently choose and strategically choose. What you want to focus on and, and really hone, like you said, in the commercial world, you really have to be very versatile, but it’s really good to, if you’ve got the budget for only a handful of classes in any given week, be strategic about what those classes are.

[00:38:37] I think that’s incredible 

[00:38:38] advice. 

[00:38:38] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:38:38] I think be smart , like, especially with your, you know, your time, your effort, your energy, your money. You know, if you’re only going to be doing two or three classes a week because you know,  dance. It’s not going to have loads of money to spend on classes. Then I do think the, you know, pick the classes why, and don’t just pick one teacher, like always go to just that class.

[00:38:55] It’s great to do that. I’ve done that. And I do love those classes. It’s really easy to get tempted, to keep going to those classes, but also try out other things as well. Like definitely keep your options 

[00:39:05] open.

[00:39:06]Dane Reis: [00:39:06] for sure. And the last question. What is the golden nugget knowledge drop you’ve learned from your successful career in this industry? You’d like to leave with our listeners.

[00:39:18]Hayley Jay Jones: [00:39:18] Hopefully perseverance. I just think persevere everyone is on their own journey and things won’t work out for you like they have with everyone else to try not to compare yourself, which I think is really it’s easier said than done. But if you keep working hard persevering, I think trust your own journey have faith that your time will come.

[00:39:38]You know, I think it took me six or seven years to. Get the ball rolling, where I could actually book job after job. And that’s a real test of your patience. And actually you learn so much in that, you know, you definitely appreciate the job with a hell of a lot more than if you were just handed things on a plate and things were to come easy.

[00:39:57] So I think it’s good. I think there’s, it’s a good thing. And also booking jobs. Isn’t just your talent. You know, there’s many things that come into play and some of it is timing and luck. You know, so don’t give yourself a hard time that you didn’t get the job because you’re the worst person in the room because you probably weren’t, you know, the best man doesn’t always win.

[00:40:18] Unfortunately, and those moments are the hardest, you know, when you think you deserve the job, when you think that you did really well, when you think that you are going to okay, and you didn’t get it when you got so close, you know, they’re the hardest ones to let go. And that they’re the true test.

[00:40:33] They’re the ones when you can like, almost tastes that you don’t get it and be like, ah, so persevere you’re definitely can have triumphs, but you also have setbacks and you know, your luck will come and go. And it’s kind of like one step forward, two steps back sometimes, but less that’s just the way it is, you know, there’s.

[00:40:51] It’s out of your control a lot of the times. So I think just accepting that this is the way it is and, and just stay in your lane, just keep working on yourself, just keep concentrating on, you know, just keep working hard, keep training and, and you will get there eventually, you know, just pick yourself up and just keep pushing.

[00:41:10] Just keep pushing harder because you will. You will get that job and it will be amazing and you’ll be so thankful for it. And you would just appreciate it so much more because the hard work that you would have put into it will just be so worthwhile. So persistence and patience and hard work

[00:41:27] and faith, 

[00:41:29] all of

[00:41:29] Dane Reis: [00:41:29] Yes, love it. Love it. Love it. And to wrap up this interview, Hailey, it is time to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? Is there anything you want to promote?

[00:41:44]Hayley Jay Jones: [00:41:44] Well, just my Instagram handle actually, which is Haley J Jones. Um, yeah, you can find me on that. I probably do have Twitter from about 10 years ago, but I don’t, I don’t know.

[00:41:56] I’m 

[00:41:56] Dane Reis: [00:41:56] fair enough. Choose your one 

[00:41:57] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:41:57] get, yeah, I’m trying to, I’m trying to keep up with the kids with Twitter, but , um, no, it wasn’t for me. So Instagram, Instagram is the way 

[00:42:03] forward.

[00:42:04]Dane Reis: [00:42:04] There we go. And for everyone listening out there, I have put the link to Haley’s Instagram in the description of this episode. So you can easily connect with her and also be sure to share this podcast with your fellow entertainers, coaches. Teachers arts and entertainment educators and end the one, you know, you know, aspiring to create a career in the entertainment industry.

[00:42:28] You booked. It is the number one resource of expertise on how to actually create a successful entertainment career case in point, everything Haley dropped today in today’s episode, if you enjoyed this episode, hit that subscribe button. So you don’t miss the next one. Haley. Thank you so much for being here.

[00:42:47] I’m so glad we got connected.

[00:42:50] Hayley Jay Jones: [00:42:50] Oh, thanks so much for having me. It’s been really lovely to kind of relive all those moments again. It’s like, 

[00:42:54] Dane Reis: [00:42:54] Absolutely.