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EP 2: Michael Forsch

Dane: [00:00:00] Let’s do this. All right, let’s get started. I’m excited to introduce my guest today. My good friend, Michael force. Are you ready for this Michael? 

Michael: [00:00:11] I’m ready brother. 

Dane: [00:00:12] Fantastic. Michael has been in entertainment for a long time and he started his career as a child 

Michael: [00:00:20] actor

Dane: [00:00:20] performing in small roles on shows like the Wonder Years. Michael was trained in musical theater and film acting and has danced on stages all over the world.

[00:00:31] His latest film credits include Party Bus to Hell, where he worked with Tara Reid, as well as Immortal Wars, Resurgence, starring Eric Roberts. Michael is also a writer, director, and producer. And as a producer, his short film borough won best short film at the 2019 Hollywood Dreams film festival, and his featured film The Christmas Cabin has signed a worldwide distribution deal with application films and is available to stream on Amazon prime today. Michael, that’s a quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done, but why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself and fill in the gaps who you are, where you’re from, where you’re currently calling home and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry.

Michael: [00:01:19] Oh man. what don’t I do. how long do we have a guess? 

Dane: [00:01:24] Oh, geez. 30 minutes. 

Michael: [00:01:27] All right. Well, I’ll summarize exactly. I’m originally I’m from, Los Angeles, right? I’ve spent the last 14 here, something like that in Vegas. Yep. I guess, you know, if you want to boil everything down I do to a sentence… I’m primarily an actor and a producer, but I could also say I’m a writer, director, casting, director, choreographer, company manager and for the right price, and a really really good production assistant 

Dane: [00:02:08] for the right price is definitely the right thing to say in that. 

Michael: [00:02:11] Yeah. 

Dane: [00:02:12] Yeah. I mean, absolutely. I’ve seen you on so many gigs, just grinding through all of the submissions for whatever the film project that you’re working on.

[00:02:22] You’re always busy, always doing something. 

Michael: [00:02:26] Yeah, I just, you know, I I’ve always been that way. I don’t sit still well. 

Dane: [00:02:34] Yeah. I’m with you. All right. Well, let’s move on to our next question. And look, as you know, I am a sucker for a good, good quote. What is your favorite quote that you’d like to share with everyone?

Michael: [00:02:47] How about  2 quotes or  is that cheating? 

Dane: [00:02:51] Oh, okay. You can do multiple. 

Dane: [00:03:17] Expanding on that, how have you applied those two quotes then to, your daily life or your career? 

Michael: [00:03:25] well, I guess I’ve always operated from this point of view. I decide my goal, even if it sounds insane. And start with the small details and work my way up. I mean, I’ve done many things where I just been like, okay, I’m going to make a movie. And I, well, my friends together and say, but you guys want to make it. That’s kind of been my operating. Basis, dream big find, find something that you really want to do and start working from the beginning one step at a time.

[00:04:11] What can I say? I also say just do it because I see so many people say they are quote unquote actors, quote, unquote writers or entertainers, et cetera, but they, they aren’t doing anything about it. You have to just do it. So people tell me what, if there aren’t any opportunities around you to pursue your dreams? I say, make them. Find a friend, write a script, or find an actor and give them your script. Okay. If you keep making things, especially good things, people will notice. And suddenly voila. You’ve got opportunities, man. 

Dane: [00:04:56] Yeah. I love that. And you know, I, I feel a lot of, a lot of the same ways about how I approach the things that I do.

[00:05:04] And yeah. When you think about that first idea or dream or project that you want to work on, it’s, it’s so far off, right? You obviously can fantasize and dream about what it could possibly be. But at the end of the day, that result is so far in the distance and you know, trying to not let that cloud your vision or get overwhelmed by that.

[00:05:26] But really it is all those minute, little steps forward that make the difference. 

Michael: [00:05:31] It really is like lots of organizations, communication and planning, but you know, people are doing it. You just have to put in the persistence and the time and the effort that’s, that’s the hard part. 

Dane: [00:05:44] Absolutely. It’s the, it’s the simple things and the easy things that are the hardest to do.  Cause it’s just as easy to not do. 

[00:05:52] All right. Well, let’s move on to the next section. Okay. All right. So Michael, you’re an entertainer, I’m an entertainer. And I think you’d agree that the entertainment industry is one of the most subjective, brutally, honest and personally emotional industries in existence.

[00:06:11] And you know, as well as I that to create and to have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now takes a lot of dedication and hard work. And while there there’s an outrageous amount of fun and excitement being an entertainment, there’s also, you know, your fair share of obstacles, challenges, and failures that we’re inevitably going to experience and we have to move forward through.

[00:06:35] So. Tell us, what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure that you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out the other side better because of it. Sure. Yeah. Failure. I have a different way of looking at it now.  

Michael: [00:06:55] Failure is the best teacher to me, right? 

Dane: [00:07:00] It has that evolved throughout your career.  Did you view it differently in the beginning? 

Michael: [00:07:05] Oh, yeah… especially I, you know, I think, I think everybody has to go through this as a, as a performer is like rejection is just part of the process, but stings, man, it hurts. Yeah, and also not, not getting the part or even getting up on stage and not doing well.

[00:07:28] That hurts too.  You know? But at the same time as I’ve gotten older, I don’t really look at failure the same way. It’s depressing. Sure. But I’ve also learned to try and look at what went wrong and how I can better from the situation. For example, my first short film Burro was set mostly on the road in a beat up 1974 Chevy Blazer.

[00:07:58] It’s a great looking truck. The only problem is it decided to break down almost every day of our film shoots. I think I’m most of my gray hair is from that truck. Eventually we got a tow package and I’d tow that monster around for different locations. But if it wasn’t for my team, I think I would still be on the deserted roads today trying to get the dancing to dry.

Dane: [00:08:30] Oh man. But Hey, if it gets you there. I’m just going to drag it places and do your shots, right? 

Michael: [00:08:35] Yeah. Yeah. And I think what I learned from that whole thing is like, you know, when there is challenges and obstacles and know systemic failures, The best thing to do is rely on people on your, your circle, your team, you know, and they’re going to help you through these things as much as you help yourself. And also don’t rely on a 30 year old truck as a star of your movie, making sure it can drive. 

Dane: [00:09:07] for everyone out there. Right. All right. I love that. Working with your team and just using the resources that you have around you and turning it around. 

Michael: [00:09:17] Yeah. I mean, that’s the thing about art is like you can plan as much as you want and organize and communicate and have everything you think. And just when you have everything perfect. Some crazy odd ball left field. Detail happens that you can’t have planned for. And sometimes it may be, make your project better, right? It’s like you gotta be able to have a team.

[00:09:47] You gotta be able to figure out what, what it is that will provide that. No spark in your project and you can still continue you moving forward. Yeah. 

Dane: [00:09:57] Yeah. Fantastic. All right. Well, let’s move on to the next section now to a time where I like to call it your spotlight moment. That one moment in time that you realized, yes, I’m going to be an entertainer for a living, or maybe it was, yes, this is what I need to be doing as an entertainer. Tell us about that. 

Michael: [00:10:18] Oh, God, that’s, that’s a hard question. One moment. I’ve always been an entertainer, you know, it just kind of seemed to follow me. Yeah. Follow me around. As a, as a kid, my mom would continually be shocked because I would just come home from school and say, Hey ma they want me to be in a music video or film. Yeah, I mean, I don’t even really remember going out of my way to be cast in those things. It just sort of, kind of happened. I don’t know. I don’t know. I can’t really explain that, you know? Oh, I guess I, I can remember one moment. That was kind of foretelling for me. All right. My school used to have a big assembly in this huge theater across the street from our campus. I was six or seven years old and I just had this feeling like, I’d see the stage. I see the stairs going the backstage area and I was just dying to go up on stage. Okay. I wasn’t really sure what I do once I got there. 

[00:11:34] I just had this feeling that I needed to go up there. Like it was so exciting. And I dunno to me that was a normal thing. Like I don’t, maybe everybody felt that, but I guess they don’t know. 

Dane: [00:11:48] I’m pretty sure my sister doesn’t feel that way, but I totally, I get that. The stage is. A special or magical place if you will, for us.

Michael: [00:11:59] Okay. Yeah. I definitely felt a calling, so, okay. That’s not really a, I don’t think I realized it in the moment, but I feel like looking back on it, you know, that’s probably. And a good indicator that I was meant to be on stage. And eventually, luckily I did. 

[00:12:20] Yeah, absolutely. 

[00:12:22] No, I never want to leave. You can’t get me off.

[00:12:25] Right. 

Dane: [00:12:27] All right. Well, piggybacking on that question, what was your number one booked it moment. I mean, walk us through that day, the auditions and call backs. If those were part of it, I mean, what was going on in your life and what about that moment? It makes it your favorite Booked It moment. 

Michael: [00:12:46] This is a nice, interesting story. It kind of, it gets to how I got where I’m, where I’ve been the last five years, so right. Just finished up my last contract as a dancer in the show Jubilee. Okay. I’m sure you know that what that is, but. Yep. That’s a legendary show girl show. And it was the longest running the last of its kind in America, at least.

[00:13:16] I was told that my contract would not be renewed.  I hadn’t really chose to leave on my own terms. And as you can imagine, it was a tumultuous time for me. Yeah. So kind of trying to figure out what I’m going to do in this point. And, a lot of people’s careers for dancers that are in their thirties, you know, sometimes there’s just not another dance job around for you.

[00:13:48] Okay. Just kind of nature of the beast. That’s usually a young man’s game. Although male dancers can tend to last longer than. Then others just cause there’s a need for them, but, you know, not really my route. I remember seeing an audition posting for a feature film called Last Day of School. One interesting thing about the audition post was they kept saying that the person with the best audition will win a prize. 

Michael: [00:14:29] hey, you know, I didn’t have a, I don’t have a job. So I was like, what do I got to lose? I decided that I was going to audition for one of the leads in the film, even though I was a little young for the character was a professor character and supposed to be, you know, in his forties or something.

[00:14:52] And I’m in my thirties and look thirties. But whenever there’s young professors, I was like, I gave it a shot. So I got this that got the sides downloaded online. It’s just one of those giant open call, hundreds of people auditioning kind of things. And I remember just driving my friends crazy bye. Bugging them to run lines with me, but. I felt kind of comfortable with this, even though I haven’t and really done much film acting in a long, long time, I, for some reason, When I had the script, I connected with this character, I felt very good about where to go with him. So I w you know, I think I had about two weeks to prep too, which is kind of rare in, so my audition, sometimes you get like three days, I guess three days is like, considered like a good amount of time.

[00:15:48] Sometimes it’s like 24 hours. Anyway, two weeks is a lot of time. I walked into the audition and I remember they had to audition rooms. So I went and did my audition and the casting team there was like the silence. And then they go, we got to show the director and I was going to like, okay, Kay, I’m a little taken aback here, but that’s good. They asked me into another room that I guess it was like the main audition room. I don’t know how I got stuck in like the secondary one, but it was kind of like an immediate callback, so that that’s good. I guess I did my same audition again and they all just like kind of freaked out a little bit.

[00:16:37] And they’re like, okay, that was great. blah blah. And then the director kind of like grabbed me by the arm and took me out the door. And he was like in a big rush. And he’s like, “No matter what happens, we’ll find a part for you.” And I was just like, “wow, what the, Oh, okay.” I was very confused. 

Dane: [00:16:55] You’re like, well, change your show.

Michael: [00:16:57] Yeah. I was happy. I did a good job. I mean, you know, I think I did anyway. 

Dane: [00:17:03] Well, clearly. And did you get your prize? 

Michael: [00:17:06] Yeah, so it turns out they had decided that I had the best audition. Great. I don’t know. I never got a prize. I don’t know what, you know, whatever. It was just like this weird day.

[00:17:18] Okay. But, you know, it was very gratifying. Yeah. And it’s fulfilling for me, but here’s the crazy thing. So, they called me and told me that that role I had auditioned for was actually meant for the acting coach that was attached to the project. And so that was why it was kind of weird because I did a better audition than the acting coach did.

[00:17:42] Right. And, but they, you know, they had already promised it to him. And so they’re just going to give me a supporting role. And it was a small part. Right. Hey, you know, it was my first feature film, so 

 Michael: [00:17:56] I was like, okay, sure, man… but that’s not the end. After a week or two, they called me and said, they had a big falling out with the acting coach and the lead role was mine if I wanted it. 

Dane: [00:18:12] Oh, so in the end you booked it. Fantastic. 

[00:18:15] And that was kind of the start of how I got back into film acting after doing theater for like almost exclusively 15 years. 

[00:18:28] Yeah, because when I met you, it was right around, it was during your last contract over at Jubilee. Yeah. And so really most of my, you know, experience with you and hanging out with you, you’ve been exclusively doing mostly film stuff.

Michael: [00:18:45] Yeah. Yup. Yeah. Fantastic. I haven’t really looked back since then. I guess at five feature films under my belt, countless other TV shows and short films. It’s just like that moment led to finding my new slash old home in the arts worlds. 

Dane: [00:19:03] Yeah. Comes full circle. Right. All right. Cool. Well, let’s take a moment then to talk about the present.  What projects are you working on now? Or what are you looking forward to? But of course we are amidst this global pandemic. Yeah. Maybe just, how do you see the entertainment industry moving forward in the next couple of years? 

Michael: [00:19:27] Yeah. So, poof, I’m in prodution for my latest film. Now it’s obviously been delayed.

[00:19:35] I was hoping I’m going to film it early April when it wasn’t hot, but you know, such as it is, I got a grant for it and we have to do it, before the end of June. So we’re shooting it at the end of the month. I co-wrote it. And I’m, co-directing it. And, we’re all really excited. It’s called the turnover and it’s a action adventure fantasy short it’s about the last of the templars.

[00:20:03]a girl named Sophia. Is in a desperate struggle to rescue her brother from a group of a mortal beings. Called the turnover and they are hell bent on starting Armageddon. So, we’ve been working on a while. We really excited, the. Initial thing is to make a short film so we could have a kick ass trailer, do some film festivals with it.

[00:20:31]put it on Amazon prime. And then, you know, if it’s successful, try to pitch it to Hollywood and or okay, get funding and make it into a feature film trilogy. So it’s a, it’s been, it’s been a really, really fun process. I’ve been taking the time during this coronavirus is all I have to do is work on that for the most part.

[00:20:55] So it’s getting lots of details are getting half. I imagine nothing else. you know, and looking forward, to be honest, I’m just looking forward to getting my shot at Hollywood. But you know, this time from the production side of things, I’ve always been a dreamer, as you can tell, but I, you know, Hollywood is, most of it is luck a lot of the time, but I’ve been successful at every step along the way here so far.

[00:21:30] So. The best thing to do is keep going. And even if Hollywood doesn’t come knocking, at least now I can put my own stuff on digital streaming networks and it can be seen by people. And you know, it, isn’t just a dusty DVD sitting on my mom’s shelf, you know? 

Dane: [00:21:47] Absolutely. I mean, this whole streaming world has really, yeah, it’s kind of done what I guess Amazon did with books, you know, people can self publish and make it much easier to get their content out there and distributed and well, from my understanding, at least of this industry, you still, you need to kind of partner with someone to do distribution and things like this, but there’s just more outlets for it. 

Michael: [00:22:09] Now there is, I mean, it’s a good thing and it’s a bad thing and that there’s a huge glut of content, but at least.

[00:22:19] It’s out there. And if no one, like people are actively looking for good stuff, right. There’s people just combing through Amazon and YouTube and stuff versus stuff. That’s really good. Or if it garners a big following, like you never know, these networks will come in and next thing you know, you’re signed it’s, I’ve seen it happen, so, 

Dane: [00:22:40] Right. That’s exciting. 

Michael: [00:22:42] It’s it’s, you know, it’s great. It’s no longer. As much it still is who, you know, that’s definitely, definitely still helps the networking and who, you know, and who has favors and blah, blah, blah. But at least you have this opportunity, this door open that no, you don’t, you didn’t really see even.

[00:23:04] 10 years ago, eight years ago, I think in the last five years it’s really taken off. 

Dane: [00:23:10] Yeah, absolutely. 

Michael: [00:23:11] You know, moving and moving forward. I mean, who knows right. With everything that’s happened in 2020. It’s just been this crazy year. what is, what is the impact going to be for us? as far as entertainment goes, I don’t, I don’t know.

[00:23:30] You don’t know? Things are just so out of whack, I’m sure. You know, somebody listening to this in the future is going to be like, Oh, Well, you guys are stupid because everything blew up maybe, right? I mean, I can tell you there’s a vacuum. You know, lots of shows I think are closing TV shows aren’t being made.

[00:23:50] There’s going to be people looking around for stuff to make theaters, TV networks, digital platforms, at least hopefully. Or maybe they’ll just make a bunch more reality. TV shows and more DJ sets and yeah. 

Dane: [00:24:06] Well, let’s hope not fingers crossed for that 

Michael: [00:24:11] I really liked doing this, but so hopefully I don’t have to figure something else out.

Dane: [00:24:16] Great. All right. Well, let’s move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightning round where I’m going to ask. Yeah, I think we all know where that came from. 

Michael: [00:24:29] Yeah. 

Dane: [00:24:30] Well, I’m going to ask you a handful of questions and I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible.

[00:24:35] Boom, boom, boom. One after another. Are you ready? 

Michael: [00:24:39] I think I’m going to be really terrible at this. Okay. Well, 

Dane: [00:24:43] I guess we’ll find out won’t we? 

Michael: [00:24:44] Okay. I can’t do anything shortly and concisely. It’s always, I try just verbal vomit, right? Well, 

Dane: [00:24:53] let’s see what we got here. Okay. Okay. First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing career as an entertainer?

Michael: [00:25:04] I think lack of confidence was my biggest detriment. Younger me would just get very down on himself. Right. That’s I guess that’s pretty common with people and, you know, 

Dane: [00:25:18] Absolutely. But I think that also goes back to your, How you were speaking earlier about how you view failure and how you approach it.

Michael: [00:25:25] Yeah, absolutely. 

Dane: [00:25:26] Great. Well, let’s do second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received? 

Michael: [00:25:35] Okay. Okay. Hmm. I think, Some pivotal growth I got as an artist actually was circus clown training. so I got exposed to that, our format, and I just didn’t realize that I would become obsessed with it.

[00:25:52] It seems like the most fun you can have onstage. And it is when you’re funny. What I didn’t realize is circus clowning is really hard 

Dane: [00:26:04] Really? And I’ve done a little bit of it with all of my mascotting, but very, very little actual formal training. 

Michael: [00:26:11] Yeah. It’s one of the hardest art forms. And, but here’s a good thing.

[00:26:17] Ignorance is bliss though. Cause sometimes when you don’t know, that’s even funnier, right. you know, before I did any training for it to be a circus clown, I actually auditioned to be a clown at Le Reve. And this is when they still had clowns over at the Wynn, and I made it to the end, but, everything I, you know, I, I made it all the way in.

[00:26:38] I, I ended up not booking it, but, at the time I thought this is some, this is something I can see myself doing. You know, I just became obsessed, but a little down the line, again with me with no circus training, I thought it’d be a good idea to go to the Cirque du Solei, clown audition. And this is my big moment, right?

[00:27:01] Like, Oh, okay. I’m going to get in that. Didn’t go. So well, one of the casting directors there though would eventually become one of my teachers. Stephen Hayes. One of the things he said to me a couple of years after that audition, it was, yeah, you failed at that audition, but guess who won? You did because you’re here in front of me right now, still working and learning.

[00:27:31] And now if you went into that audition, you’d hold your own. So circus style clown to me is such an amazing art form because it’s so hard. It’s pass or fail if you go out on stage and they like you, you’re the King of the world, but if you’re boring or not in tune with yourself and the audience, then boom, you’re dead.

[00:27:57] You’re dead on stage. And everyone just wants to see you leave. It’s like this vulnerable thing. It’s such a vulnerable position to be in. This is really long. I’m sorry, this is supposed to be concise, but I can just talk forever and let me just finish up. The secret I learned from one of the best clowns in the world is to relish that flavor, that, that failure they we’d get up on stage and just laugh afterwards when they failed, they get up on stage and you do, you just suck.

[00:28:32] And then, you know what? Get off stage and be like, man. That sucked. Wasn’t it great. And they would learn from it. And I, I, after doing that for a couple of years, it change something in me that kind of vulnerability that takes to do that. It also makes you kind of fearless. It clicked something into place.

Dane: [00:28:57] I guess you, you realize you’re like, you really come up to that moment of what’s the worst that could happen and not much. 

Michael: [00:29:04] Yeah. Yeah, I, I no longer have this. Am I good enough kind of self-conscious doubter sitting on my shoulder telling me that if I fail, it will be the end of everything. I walk into an audition now and I’m like, great.

[00:29:19] You’re giving me lines to read and directions to follow. Well, this is easy compared to being a clown, 

Dane: [00:29:27] Right. If you’re just working with your environment and things like this. 

Michael: [00:29:31] Yeah. I mean, you have to go out on stage and you have to connect with the audience. You have to the vulnerable yourself. You have to, there’s so much intricacies of what’s going on and you have to be so present in the moment that if you’re not, you know, you just lose, you just lose it.

[00:29:48] And then you’re not funny. And then it’s awful. I still get nervous of course, but it’s, I don’t get that gut wrenching paralyzing adrenaline that I used to get when I was younger. You know? Absolutely. So sorry. That was really long. I told you. 

Dane: [00:30:07] No, it’s all right. We’re getting through them. All right.

[00:30:10] Let’s do question number three. What is something that is working for you now, or if you’d like to go pre COVID, what was working for you before our industry went on pause? 

Michael: [00:30:23] I think, the decision to make my own arts not being reliant on what another director. Or producer thinks of, you know, it’s so freeing, I go into auditions, like, yeah.

[00:30:43] So what if I screw it up? I’ll just keep working on my own projects. 

 Dane: [00:30:47] Yeah. And fulfill that artistic side of things in the creation yourself. 

Michael: [00:30:52] Yeah, you know, Being comfortable and at ease with myself is a big advantage and auditioning. And I don’t feel that pressure of like, Oh my God, if I don’t get this done, I’m not going to do anything artsy for huh, whatever. I’ll just write something. 

Dane: [00:31:08] Right. That’s fantastic. All right. Well, let’s go to the next question. What is the best resource? Whether that’s a book, a movie, a YouTube video, a podcast, some piece of technology, hardware, software that you found. That is helping your career right now. 

Michael: [00:31:25] Okay. So I have a subscription to masterclass and I’ve gone through every single directing, writing, acting class.

[00:31:35] And now I’m just going into different, random things for inspiration. And I love it. I. You know, listen to it while I’m in the car. And it just gives a great perspective on people who have, are hugely successful in industry and what they’ve done and what they do. And that to me is like the best learning experience.

[00:31:54] Cause you know, you can go to school a lot of times, a professor. Isn’t as successful as someone who’s doing it full time. And so, you know, you want to find out what people who are, who have made it are doing not necessarily like what an old textbook is saying, you know? So I love that as a resource.

Dane: [00:32:15] Fantastic. Yeah, I’ve seen, I’ve seen, you know, ads on it. It comes up on my YouTube ads all the time. Clearly they think I’m into that stuff, which I am. I just haven’t. I just haven’t subscribed to it, but I’ve seen it. It looks fantastic. 

Michael: [00:32:29] And this is a random plug, but every Christmas they do like buy one, get one free. So that’s always a good time if you want to share with a friend and get 50% off. 

Dane: [00:32:37] Wow. Sweet. Okay. Alright, 

Michael: [00:32:39] I have some good books in case there’s anybody interested in indie film? Yeah, absolutely. Indie film producing by Suzanne lions and another one I’m very interested in, about pitching ideas and, you know, getting people interested in projects.

[00:32:55] There’s a book called Pitch Anything by Oren Klaff and those books are, have been really, really helpful for me on the production side of things. You know, I think it’d be good for all Andy filmmakers who are interested to read the film producing books, even if they don’t produce their own stuff. It was just a good overview of what needs to go on.

[00:33:14] So you no, how things should run, ran it’s. Anything can be used by anybody. Cause it really is just. Learning good communication. And you know, what, what you can do to help people see your point of view and agree with you, or, you know, get people on your side. So it’s, it’s, it’s amazing. 

Dane: [00:33:36] Fantastic. Yeah. I love that pitch anything book, if I recall, was I the one that referred that book to you? 

Michael: [00:33:42] You weren’t, although you may have mentioned it, but, you know, sometimes things take a couple of times to beat into my universe that I should actually do it. So, but I did get it from another producing friend of mine. 

Dane: [00:33:55] Oh, fantastic. It’s a great book. 

Michael: [00:33:57] Oh, it’s awesome.  

Dane: [00:33:58] Well, let’s go to the fifth question. I like this one. If you had to start your career from scratch, but you still have all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in the industry. What would you do or not do, would you do anything differently or the same?

Michael: [00:34:16] Whew. I think with a few exceptions, I’d keep it the same, man. Yup. Yeah. I’ve learned so much from everything I’ve done and experience like maybe there’s a job opportunity. I turned down here there, or An agent offer. I could have pursued that maybe I would. Now go back and do, but so many great things have happened because of the path I’ve taken.

[00:34:40] It’s hard for me to say I’d change anything. Yeah. Maybe, maybe the only thing I do different is like train more consistently as an actor. When I was younger, I kind of would do it, but I would be inconsistent. And I kind of, I don’t know. It was, it was interesting. Cause like, you’d think. You know, just be an actor, but you know, like I said, had confidence stuff and I happen to be, yeah, good enough as a dancer to work professionally from as a teenager.

[00:35:12] And so I kind of just got into this little realm of dancing and I kind of wish that I had also kept up the acting training, but, you know, Whatever 

Dane: [00:35:24] Yeah. Hindsight 20, 20, but it’s always good to know, you know? Alright. And the last question, what is the golden nugget knowledge drop you’ve learned from your successful career in this industry that you’d like to leave with our listeners?

Michael: [00:35:41] Oh, this is my favorite. okay. Are you ready? 

Dane: [00:35:43] Yes, 

Michael: [00:35:45] Don’t be a Dick. Look, man, working actors, even, even working actors that are in Hollywood and stuff, they’re hunting for their next job. They’re always on a project to filming and they’re looking around and being like, okay, well what’s next? And you know this more than anybody because you’re the best gig worker I’ve ever seen.

[00:36:08] But if you’re a Dick and you alienate people in your workplace, you’re not working for them again. And that’s a problem for people such as us. So be humble, be considerate. Yeah. Always just take the note. 

Dane: [00:36:29] Absolutely. I, I mean, I like to say be nice to everybody. 

Michael: [00:36:33] Yeah, yeah. Yep. And you know, that’s funny and master the master masterclass thing, one of the.

[00:36:41] Things that they, things that I’ve seen at almost everybody talks about is don’t be a jerk in, in the workplace. Like it’s one of the things that’s common with everybody. I’m also okay. I’ve noticed it’s not the most talented people who have successful careers in show business. It’s the most persistent people.

[00:37:03] Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. They are the ones who make art, not because they want to, but because they have to. 

Dane: [00:37:09] Right. I love that. 

Michael: [00:37:11] Yeah. Oh, being talented helps too. 

Dane: Well, naturally there’s you know, but I think that this industry is so diverse that there’s, I think, depending on whatever it is that your, your level of talent, whatever it might be has has a place 

Michael:  somewhere.

Dane:  Yeah. And if it’s your passion, do it. 

Michael: [00:37:30] Yeah, exactly. Okay, 

Dane:  Great. Well, I think it’s time to wrap this baby up and that means it’s also time for you to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? How do we connect with you? Is there anything you want to promote? 

Michael:  Sure. you can find me on all social media @MichaelForsch. So that’s pretty consistent. Give me a follow. If you like occasional dumb food take pictures of me and my wife traveling and also some film stuff too. 

Dane: Yeah. Perfect. Love it. All right, Michael. Fantastic. Thank you so much for being on today. 

Michael: Yeah, man.