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EP 209: Pak Chau (autogenerated)
[00:00:00] You booked it. Episode a 209. All righty. Let’s get this started. I am excited to introduce my guest today. It is PAC ho chow pack. Are you ready for this?
[00:00:15] Pak Chau: Yes.
Let’s let’s do this.
[00:00:17] Dane Reis: Brilliant. Founded in 2020 during the height of a global pandemic CEO pack established moti to help,
uh, people from all walks of life to cultivate a deeper sense of self and a more profound sense of meaning and purpose back found success at a young age, starting his first company at 17, eventually selling for 14 million Hong Kong dollars before graduating high school and later founding auction pack. That is a very, very condensed and quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done. But why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself, a filling the gaps and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment.
[00:00:57] Pak Chau: Sure. Sure. My name is.
um, I would say a very young person from Macau and, uh, what I do, I, I got myself as a storyteller and I, I will, uh, what I would like to do from a very young age is to Woody ponder a lot on certain questions and issues. It’s kind of kind of gross over. , um, I think every one of us asked a lot of these questions sometimes about what it means to be alive, about what lies beyond, uh, Woody our day to day life.
[00:01:26] And I kind of
kind of had lingers on those questions and with Moeti this company that I just found it in the past year, I hope that we can really be able to build a team where we can actually focus on these fundamentals. Questions, existential questions that would, he kind of makes up our day to day life, but then beyond, and be able to use different form of storytelling, different mediums.
[00:01:51] For example, right now we’re focusing on music and animation and trying to explore these questions and explore and see if there are different perspectives that can come out of it. I think a lot of us right now,
um, you know, with the pandemic and everything that we have to go on. We, we have to, uh, you know, kind of, um, basically, um, navigate through many different things, uh,and sing seems to be sometimes disjointed, perhaps.
[00:02:11] But then when we would
kind of think about those fundamental things that makes up who we are, everything becomes more unified
[00:02:19] Dane Reis: Yeah, I completely agree. It’s such a very cool company that you’ve created and what you’re doing, and I’m excited to really dig into that throughout this interview. But first let’s dig into this first section here and pack. Look, I am a sucker for a good quote. What is your favorite quote? You’d like to share with everyone
[00:02:38] Pak Chau: I would really like to share free really quickly. Um,
Um, the first one is when I was starting. Uh, being, uh, uh, teenage entrepreneur, I was really inspired by Steve jobs. And one of the quotes that he had was in the, um, you know, um, in the ad when he was turned to apple, was the people who were crazy enough to think they can change the world.
[00:02:56] Other ones. And that would
kind of inspire me to think that, Hey, I’m not just living in this. I would say concrete reality that I was born with, but actually the reality that we live in everyday can be changed by people are built by people and can be changed by people any time, you know, and that we have the power to change it.
[00:03:15] And that was really quite inspiring. Another quote that I would say it’s actually from, I think Chris brown, that many iteration of this, but it’s to say that The people, that,
um, if you were never young and crazy, you cannot be always oh, and bright whites. And that was kind of a very,very, I think it’s very interesting quote because I think there’s a lot of people who never actually took it. Significant risk with their lives and claim to be wise, and basically tell people not to take risks when they were young. And I felt like that, Hey, if you actually took the risk, actually one of the things that you maybe would realize is that I think a lot of people. They have regrets later on in life.
[00:03:59] Usually they’re not really regretting the things that they did because most of the people they would eat. Didn’t do a lot of terrible tapes. They usually just regret never living that life that
they, they, they had and the, with the chance that they had. And now when they realize that they don’t really have that chance anymore, have.
[00:04:15] The sense of regret thinking, Hey,
you know, why did I not do the things that I really wanted to do when I had the chance to do it? So the last one I would say is with Alan Watts, who said that the purpose of living is just to be alive. And I went, and that quote is so fundamental because I felt like we’re always in this world sometimes mean.
[00:04:39] We seem to be always doing this for that,
you know, we always seems to be, well, why are you doing this? Or because of something else, some external extrinsic reason why I’m doing this thing, which is our lives that we’re living. You know, we don’t really exist to solve problems. We kind of exist. To live and an experience.
[00:04:57] And I sometimes I think if we are focused too much on the outcome of certain things or on the result that certain action IUDs, we
kind of kind of forget that actually we are doing those actions and then we never truly experience those actions as we are doing them. And that action is just what we call life.
[00:05:18] And sometimes we. Go pass it by solving a lot of problems by doing a lot of building, a lot of great things, but,
um, we never truly experienced it’s you seem
[00:05:28] Dane Reis: yeah, a hundred percent. I love
all three, all three of those quotes. Thank you for those. Uh, and I really liked that last one as well. And like you said, how it’s so fundamental, but I think the other side of that coin is you said, oh, you know, you know, we get, we get focused on doing this for that, and always trying to move forward.
[00:05:45] But I think we encounter the same. Traps,
uh, especially now with so much social media, with so much with so many platforms to distract us that oftentimes we just become, we don’t do anything. We just absorb other people’s work. Uh, and that’s the flip side of it. So, I mean, So, I mean, content is amazing. Everyone loves a good TV show or a great music or great content to watch, but it has to also be something that is conscious.
[00:06:12] So we’re not just.
[00:06:13] Pak Chau: Okay.
[00:06:14] Dane Reis: Scrolling our lives away.
[00:06:16] Pak Chau: Yeah.
[00:06:16] And I think when we on social media all the time that we
kind of take in, you know, and, and look at other people, and then we kind of somehow establish some sort of an objective standard for how we our lives should be. And that really is very, very, um, you know, it gives us a lot of anxiety and really makes us question whether or not we are really living the life that we should be living when in fact.
[00:06:37] Yeah, we are just living the life the way that we are living it
[00:06:40] Dane Reis: for sure. I call that the comparison trap, right? And it’s such a, especially in this entertainment world as for poor performers and things like this,
it’s, it’s such a, such a huge hurdle or a huge obstacle potentially to, to really, uh, learn how to navigate success.
[00:06:55] Pak Chau: absolutely. Absolutely.
[00:06:57] Dane Reis: Beautiful.
Well, let’s dig into this section here and pack.
[00:07:01] Of course you are an entertainment professional. I’m an entertainment professional. And I think that you’d agree that this industry can be one of the most subjective, brutally, honest and personally emotional industries in existence. And you know,
you know, as well as I, that in order to create and have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now, it takes a little.
[00:07:24] Of dedication and hard work. And while, yeah, there’s an outrageous amount of fun doing what we do. There are also our fair share of obstacles, challenges, and failures. We’re going to have to move forward through. So tell us what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced throughout your career and how did you come out?
[00:07:44] The other side better.
[00:07:46] Pak Chau: I think for me as a, as an entrepreneur,
uh, but also as an entertainment, I think it’s the same thing, which is, you know, rather or not, you’re able to inspire other people then to just dictate the work that needs to be done. Because I think a lot of that, so many amazing artists out there that, um, you know, where they, what they, what they want to do is to express themselves in their own.
And, and I feel like they need to be given that chance to do it, I think economically, but also within a certain company culture that they feel like, Hey, listen, I can be myself yet. And, and to build that company culture, I believe is the most simple. And I think in my past, sometimes I haven’t done that very well.
[00:08:26] And sometimes because of inpatients, because of,
um, you know, short-sightedness because of sometimes that we believe the work just needs to be done urgently. Sometimes those sort of things that get gets ignored. But I think, you know, you know, to be able to find the best. To be able to find the best people, but to also to be able to give them the space, to inspire them, to create, you know, kind of, because for us, what we do is that we have, we have this analogy now, which is talking about for us, we are accompanied the explores existential concepts, right.
[00:08:57] Let’s say,
and, and I think the, you know, for us, it’s a very, as I said, it’s a very fundamental thing that we’re doing, but then, you know, for us that many. Talented artists out there. So when I say Tonto artists, let’s, let’s talk about it like this. Let’s say for example, I’m a violinist, the best violinist, and one of the best, the best violinists do is that they have this area.
[00:09:18] It’s very specific areas of expertise.
Uh, she, he or she plays the violin. Okay. Um, and she basically would, let’s say use violin as an instrument of expression to explore and, uh, different topics. For example, let’s say for example, like, uh, um, I don’t know, maybe like death or life, or maybe like, uh, what it means to be in love and things.
[00:09:39] Sure. So
she, she, sometimes I would say most of the office out there, when would it have that much preference when it comes to exploring certain types of topics, but instead of just using the instrument that they love the instrument. The best ad to, to explore. And for us, we, on the other side, we believe that that’s the Y axis.
[00:10:01] And for us on the X axis is what we have one concept, one concept. And that’s really right. Let’s say, for example, we exploring the concept of reading. Right.
[00:10:11] What we would do is that we actually would say, go to the vein,
uh, at the violin and say, well, you know what? You’re so good at violin. Let me inspire you with , you know, the concept that we have, which is extremely loaded and extremely inspiring.
[00:10:24] Let me give you. And then I’ll let you go to work with that because you’d know what you’re doing. And if I can communicate not just exactly what needs to be done, but also that, that, that emotion,
that, that, that passion behind the concept that we have not to mention a lot of other people, uh, all of the work that we’re inspired by this concept by other artists, in other areas, if we were, if we’re able to give you that.
[00:10:50] And to get a space, but also give you the inspiration to do so then actually great look, emojis, great. All original work in mergers.
Um, whereas before I felt like I was maybe perhaps trapped by having too much control, but not trusting people enough to do it the best way to combat that. I felt like.
[00:11:08] What’s that,
you know, what we find the best people so that there are no issues, but then when they are effectively the best, now you’ve got to look at yourself and say, you know, what am I the problem? And when I look back, I felt like I wasn’t the problem, but now I look back now I definitely was the problem.
[00:11:24] So, you know,
So, you know, whether or not I have the maturity to admit it. I felt that was very, very important because that was allow us to really step to the next level, which is, Hey, listen, pack, maybe you, you, you can create some things, but definitely not on the same level as all of these great artists who can create so many different things, um, that, that level of diversity, that level of different perspectives coming together and be able to create this amazing community that just loves to create.
[00:11:52] And that continuously inspire each other. That for me is
that that is definitely cannot be done alone. And sometimes you, you need to take a back seat and say, you know, what, what are the certain type of structure and culture that you can set up? Um, and, and, and, and some sort of an environment where you can really be able to enable these amazing creators to, to, to, to, um, really, to really,
[00:12:11] to be successful.
[00:12:12] Dane Reis: oh, I think that’s fantastic. And having that self-awareness for sure. But everything I think you said Extends beyond just the company that you are doing right now with Modi and things like this, but, you know,
you know, and even in much more analytical or technical types of environments, those a lot of those principles can still be applied to everything you said.
[00:12:33] And I think it’s amazing too. I guess what we have to realize sometimes. That you get caught up with your own view. You keep doing your thing, but what, when it comes down to it, especially when it comes to the arts, that it’s all a collaboration, right? You can only bring so much to the table and your expertise is in one area and then recognizing other people’s expertise and then collaborating to make it something amazing.
[00:12:58] I think
that that’s what it’s all about and that’s really how you get the bed.
[00:13:02] Pak Chau: Yes, that’s absolutely right. absolutely
[00:13:04] Dane Reis: Beautiful.
Beautiful. Well, let’s move on to a time that I like to call your spotlight moment. That one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be in the entertainment industry for a living, or I’m going to start a company in the entertainment industry, or maybe it was, yes, this is what I need to be doing in this industry.
[00:13:28] Tell us about that.
[00:13:29] Pak Chau: I felt like for me, I never really considered.
Um, the way that, the way that it worked for me, I’d never considered this. I would say the entertainment industry for, for motif. I felt like it was, I bounced around many different Jews before, you know, I, I kind of finished high school. Um, I saw my first business in high school.
[00:13:46] It was successful.
Uh, I, I used that experience to, you know, make that decision. Should I go to university? Right. And it was a loaded decision, but for me, I really felt like there’s no way that I could learn so much in solo time being in the real world facing real rejection. And that was really why I really wanted to do, but I had a big falling out with my family as a result of it.
[00:14:09] And my family is a, is an Asian family
who, who, who they didn’t go to university, but they believed. We have the chance, this is the next generation they should go, which is completely understandable. And I think that, um, that.
I, I could have handled the situation much more surely, but I did not, which is because I was immature and that’s really how it was.
[00:14:28] And that’s fine. I think now I look back at it, but,
uh, and that’s, I learned a lot from that process, but it, I had a chip on my shoulders at that. And I, my dad was a very successful business person in his own. Right. Right. And I would, he felt like when I was growing up, I was living in his shadow sometimes. Um, well, Um, well, all the time.
Uh, and then I felt like I had something to prove now that we were in disagreement and that he didn’t want to help me with this, my journey. And then I worked with, he felt like, well, you know, Be successful really quickly, you know, to prove to him that I, you know, that I could be of something and that I could achieve certain things that maybe he has achieved all my baby.
[00:15:04] I can surpass them in some way in that type of, in that type of twisted kind of way.
And, and, and. Went and went into different industries. When tech, I try to learn tech, I try to learn. I started off with tech, uh, and then I went into e-sports and I went on to, you know, maybe creating an penny auction website, whatever the case may be.
[00:15:23] So I went into different businesses, different ventures, trying to discover my own way, but while being very impatient, obviously learning a lot from the process, especially from all of the failures that, yeah.
[00:15:34] But then I kind of
kind of realized, damn, what am I doing? You know, You know, I, I. I, I w I wanted to achieve that success, but at the same time, I felt like one of the moments that I had was when I was in, um, the e-sports business and I was in the e-sports conference, trying to promote my business, trying to raise a series B round, and it was incredibly difficult.
Uh, and then, you know, we raised a series, a, we had a lot of, you know, a few investors invested in this already, myself, my money included. And then at that moment, I kind of looked at everybody buddy around me and that while I was in the e-sports business, I had a game server, um, you know, that had, you know, 200,000 subscribers at that point, it was kind of successful.
Uh, and, and I would, it was in that middle ground where I would’ve had to take that next round of funding to push this to the next level. And I looked around me, I saw it. He loves gaming. You know, this, You know, this, this dude, he loves gaming. He’s keeps gaming. He wakes up gaming. He, he just, he’s just he’s, that’s all he can think about.
[00:16:32] And then that,
you know, everyone around me was like that. And I wasn’t like that. And I didn’t really play games. I was there for the opportunity. I was there for the opportunity to really be able to step forward. And that was kind of like, whoa. I, if I were to do this, I need to take on new responsibilities as well as new investor comes in, new employee comes in new new partners that trust me to work on this as my life passion, because that’s exactly how I’m selling it.
Well, wait a minute. That, that then NetApp to me, and that would, is that something that I wouldn’t want us to do for the rest of my life? And I know that we don’t need that level of commitment, but I felt like I did because I really want to. I felt like for me, I really needed to put a lot of attention and focus into something in order to make it successful.
[00:17:19] So at that moment, it was really,
uh, a very, I would say enlightening experience for me, which is like, wait a minute. Let’s step. So I, I wasn’t able to raise that series B round. I had to close my company, but I also had some time to reflect and think about all of the things I realized that wait a minute, I think the, the hardest thing to do then to make a billion dollars would be to just, you know, why was I so, so stubborn in a way, because I was afraid to talk to my family, especially to talk to my father, to share my vulnerability, to share that maybe I will. Meant to be like this, or maybe I wasn’t built for this, or maybe I don’t need to make the boat. Maybe I, I, maybe I have Sue so much to learn and just, well that I don’t, I can’t maybe achieve that level of success that maybe he didn’t even expect me to, uh, to do, but it was kind of what I fought by expectation.
[00:18:14] And that was something that I felt were really important and I went to different.
Um, places talk with different people. And I realized kind of, I knew slow down and then as I slow down, I would kind of adjust things a little bit. And then I slowly found a passion that I have, um, with inspiring people, not to do specific things. But to actually have different in, you know, you know, not to sole problems because I like a lot of times is they’re always quick fixes about how the problem can be solved. But a lot of what I call enlightenment I would say is not to have the problem eradicated all solved, but to actually be able to see the bigger picture.
[00:18:53] And once you see the bigger picture and then you realize, okay, the problem that I was stressing about all along. Is actually insignificant.
So, so for me, yeah, I felt like that journey was, was, was that a completely that for me, I really wanted that full for everybody as well. Um, if, if everybody could see the bigger picture, I think we, sometimes we stress, like where’s the pandemic, for example, we, I think we stress a lot before that.
[00:19:14] And then when the dynamic hits, everything
kind stopped and then you kind of have the bigger picture and wait a minute, actually, all of these things. We have to do, actually, we don’t have to do it. Uh, it was only, you know, kind of imposed in that way because we did that. But then when everything kind stopped and then when we stepped back and then what I realized myself was I don’t need to be that, uh, that, that, that guy was, I was supposed to be.
[00:19:37] I can just be myself in the family that I was at. I could share my vulnerability and I would it could be the bridge between my family, where I can open up the communication. I can let everybody.
You know, kind of just be themselves and, and balance kind of the moment where I felt like, you know, if one of the things that I could do is for storytelling, we could inspire people to have heightened perspective about the really important things in life.
[00:20:00] And if we could do that, that I felt like that. And that was really what I was committed to do. So that’s, I would say
uh, I would say a pretty unique entry to entertainment
[00:20:12] Dane Reis: yeah, I would say it’s absolutely unique and I really enjoy your journey and the realization and having gone into. Traditional,
uh, business or entrepreneurial businesses, uh, if you will, and more of that journey, but to discover what you’ve created, what you’ve now are working on and creating, uh, I think you know, you know, there’s always the solving problem, but the, uh, uh, the idea of helping people kind find that enlightenment, I think is, is huge. That was fantastic part that I took away from that. Uh, but I would like to. Piggyback on that real quick. And let’s talk about your number one, booked it moment.
[00:20:50] Walk us through that day. What was going on in your life? And what about that moment? Makes it your favorite? Booked it moment.
[00:20:59] Pak Chau: I mean,
I mean, that’s interesting. Obviously I think we, we, we, for this purpose, we might have to redefine
[00:21:06] the book that moment because
[00:21:07] Dane Reis: Yeah, let’s do it.
[00:21:09] Pak Chau: call backs and things like that. But I think. For me, I think it’s,
um, the, um, I think one of the, the early, I would say booked it.
for, for our company is really, you know, kind of creating, um, our first animation series.
Uh, it’s called Kirwan, um, and kind of kind of after we created the pilot season and we were very, very happy about the whole entire series and cologne is actually very interesting. What two one is actually about, um, you know, uh, if you search on Google, what you will find is the definition is a paradoxical antidote or widow used in Zen Buddhists. Um, that is primarily used to, uh, basically illustrate the fallacy of logical reasoning and to provoke in life. And basically what it does is that is a little. So we, what we have done is that we have created little stories, let’s say 10 minutes each per episode. And for each 10 minutes episode, what we’re trying to do is to use a story or riddle or some sort of a people would call like a parable to really illustrate that a lot of our predefined beliefs, a lot of the things that we got, a lot of the things that we, we assume. Uh, uh, actually completely reversed.
[00:22:23] So for example,
we, we look into concepts like reincarnations. We’re looking at concept like even heaven and hell. We’re looking into concepts like black and white duality existence for each episode. And then we offer some sort of a different perspective to make people say, wait, wait a minute. Could it work like that?
Um, can I, can I challenge things that cannot be challenged? You know, if those are the beliefs that may be, have been long held by people for thousands of years, right? Wait a minute. If these things could be challenged, maybe everything needs to be reconsidered. Maybe everything needs to be looked at, not from other people’s eyes.
[00:23:02] And for me, she just agreed with them. But actually for me,
To look at, to look at it myself with a critical eye. And one of, I would say one of the book that moment was actually interesting. It wasn’t as sexy. Um, in, in, in the more commercial sense, but it was a realization that I had, I would say a philosophical book that moment and that philosophical book, that moment was, I asked myself what is existence, right?
[00:23:27] And then I was like,
you know, what, what is it? So let’s say, for example, I give you a completely white piece of. Okay, completely blank piece of paper. And I asked you what is on this white piece of paper right now? What is on this one piece of paper you might say, well, there’s nothing on it, right? So what if I give you a black piece of paper?
[00:23:47] And you might say the same thing, what? There’s nothing on it. What if I give you this black pen? So you can draw whatever you want on this length, white piece of paper. So let’s say you, for example, you draw a circle. I asked you this question on this paper right now, you might say, well circle
well and then, okay.
[00:24:05] What about if you draw a triangle, What about you? You draw a square. That’s a square. So if you ask me
what, what is existence you might say? Well, existence is like this. We started off from now. And then we drew something on it and something, is that something that I drew is the thing that exists, which is actually how most people understand existence.
Right. And almost, almost, almost entirely because that’s how the world works. There was nothing. And then boom, there was something and the something is either was created by God or, you know, whatever the case may be. But there’s something to be true. It’s as something that existed, basically, that’s the belief. But then what if, what if we keep drawing?
[00:24:46] What if I’m not happy with my squad? Because your squad is bigger than mine. And I keep drawing that squat. I drew a bigger squad, but it’s still not big enough. I draw a bigger score, but it’s still not big enough. Soon enough. If I draw infinitely, I’m going to turn a complete white piece of paper into a completely black piece of paper. And then at that point, it nothing, because you said,
well, black piece of paper, well, well, that’s nothing on it, right? Or is it everything because all of this white space that you call, nothing has now been completely filled with by black, right. right. Or this nothing has now been completely filled or is it everything all?
[00:25:23] Can I make that verse simple, logical drop jump to say that fundamentally nothing. Nothing is everything. What we call existence is not white, all black. It’s just the contrast between opposing forces, opposing
what we, what we define as oppositions like black and white, like maybe up and down and left or right.
[00:25:47] For what a backwards and those contracts. Where do you create the kind of the dimensions in which I’ll exist in lives without these contracts? There are simply existence is simply one is simply sink singular, but because of all of these amazing contrast, we see. Diversity in this one and diversity, and what we call dimensions is really
kind of like a measurement of difference, uh, in that sense where we’re measuring how different things are, because if they’re not different, if we are not different, then we don’t exist necessarily because I feel like the existence is really about the expression of diverse.
Right, because if you and I are the same, that we are just one, right. right. We don’t need to, we don’t need to exist apart from each other, but the fact that we are, we exist apart from each other and that there is up from down and left from bright it’s, Woody and expression of the universe of diversity. And I think right now it’s in a very divided world.
[00:26:52] I think a lot of us are talking about equality. I think a lot of it is.
Um, you know, how maybe gender needs to be equated or maybe maybe there are, you know, for example, um, racial issues and injustice there. I felt like for us, it’s, you know, it’s the response that we have that also matters as well. And I think sometimes when we talk about quality, I think one of the things that we might want to focus.
[00:27:14] Is what on our capacity and compassion to celebrate the diversity of life,
um, to realize that, wait a minute, the fact that it is different, it’s what makes us unify the things that it is the fact that it is diverse is what we should celebrate, um, at the multiplicity of life and that, you know, the, the different, you know, really, um, uh, possibilities.
[00:27:36] The infinite possibilities that can,
um, that can be discovered. And that’s really kind of, for me, definitely one of my most booked at moment, I would say in my life, uh, up to
[00:27:46] this point,
[00:27:47] Dane Reis: Yeah, I would say that’s one heck of a book. That moment you’re blowing my fricking mind, man.
Um, that was so good. Uh, and I agree with you. That is very. Very profound. Uh, Uh, obviously I can’t rewind it in the middle of this live recording, but I will absolutely be relisted to that section, uh, as I think everyone else should right now.
Uh, so, so good love that. Thank you.
[00:28:11] Pack and. Let’s move to the present. Let’s talk about that a little bit. What projects do you have going on right now? What are you looking forward to?
You know, and we’re missing this global pandemic and we’ve, you’ve talked about it a little bit, but how is that influencing?
[00:28:25] What you’re doing? How, where do you see things going over the next couple of years?
[00:28:29] Pak Chau:
Well, I think right now with motif, so basal makes my life project really is like, you know, I would have committed to be doing this for the rest of my life with moti. And I want you guys to obviously check it out. Uh, but basically for motif, we are working on, um, uh, I would say a few key projects right now.
uh, as I mentioned, what the key projects that we have is COVID-19 our animation series. We have just produced, um, uh, the first season, um, which is, um, on YouTube actually, uh, a few episodes already on YouTube. But we are actually looking to scale up the, the production for next season and, and we will be doing crowdfunding.
[00:29:03] We will be approaching a streaming platforms where we can get,
uh, we can really be able to co-produce this on a massive scale and bring this content to people around the world and be able to distribute it, um, in a much Wiley. You know, um, uh, available waste and that’s one of the key projects I would say that we’re working on.
[00:29:22] Is this the one animation series,
uh, for next season? Um, that’s number one. And right now also we are working on a lot of different music pieces, uh, on the side as well. Uh, we’re also going to, uh, be able to launch a new, um, exhibition. Um, it’s called multi expo, which is basically about going to different science museums around the world, and actually using science museums as a, as very, Very good space for exploration.
Um, but we want to basically take a more Saifai approach actually, to use a story that we have built called the search for utopia. And the story is to summarize is really about the journey of an astronaut who is basically venturing into outer space as a representation of humanity, um,discovering on, but truly finding holes.
[00:30:12] Finding ourselves within,
um, through that journey of exploration. And I really want to target, um, teenagers and people who are in school, the next generations of creators and dreamers and explorers, um, to be able to not just teach them knowledge, but to actually inspire them and Kindle that existential one that, that they have, and be able to really kickstart their journey towards exploration, not just beyond.
you know, uh, our atmosphere, but actually, uh, within their souls and within their minds as well. And that’s basically, uh, I would say a couple of things that we’re doing. Kuwan multi expo and, uh, the music that we have, which is available on Spotify
[00:30:51] right now.
[00:30:52] Dane Reis: Very cool. Yeah. And for everyone. Go to YouTube for sure. And watch,
uh,any of the episodes from Quan. I will absolutely be making sure that they’re in the description of this episode, so you can easily click to them, but , they’re really fantastic. And it is now time to move to one of my favorite sections in the interview.
[00:31:14] I call it the grease lightening round. I am going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible one after another. Are you ready? All right. First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career as an entrepreneur?
[00:31:33] Pak Chau: I think it’s a self-doubt
and, and whether or not you look at yourself as fitting in with the rest of the world and what they expect you to do, or actually having that courage to venture your own path and be able to be who you really are.
[00:31:48] Dane Reis:
um, second. Question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received?
[00:31:53] Pak Chau: I think it’s to be extremely self-aware to look at yourself critically.
Um, and, and actually the more that you can take, the more of a person that you are, you know, um, sometimes when we, when we are faced with an adversity, the more we can take, it’s like going to the gym, the more you can take, the more you can lift heavy weights, it breaks your muscles and it makes your muscles stronger.
[00:32:14] Dane Reis: yes. Third question. What is something that is working for you right now? Or if you’d like to go pre COVID, what was working for you before all of this pandemic hit the world?
[00:32:26] Pak Chau:
That’s that’s what a great question. Because one of the things that we, I think, I think we’ve covered it kind of disrupts a lot of things before us is actually a place. Not it really in the sky, by the way, it’s, it’s, it’s a blessing for us, but obviously we, we know what the situation was very terrible for a lot of people.
[00:32:41] But for us, we were able, because we weren’t able to have this localized office in Asia, in Hong Kong, we were forced to say,
well, you know, Look at recruitment and talents differently and say, you know what, why don’t we just go into national? Why don’t we just go and actually find artists from so many different countries.
[00:33:00] And right now we’re able to build, I would say what I call a borderless team, a team that is completely virtual and completely remote a team that is
very, very authentic. And to the call, a team that. is internet national, and we have people working from many, many different countries coming together. Not because they are in the same location, but because they have the same passion And they have the same Woody motivation to tell stories, to inspire people.
[00:33:25] And that was something that is really working for us
[00:33:27] right now.
[00:33:27] Dane Reis: oh, I love that. And the fourth question, what is your best resource? Whether that is a book, a movie, YouTube video, maybe a podcast or a piece of technology you found that is helping your career right now.
[00:33:41] Pak Chau: I think one of the things that I would ask people to look at is what is it? Explore, no code software,
um, especially in the, in the, in the entertainment industry. Well, not just in tech, but because I think the ability for us, I think, especially right now with, with, with COVID, it takes so much more to communicate clearly and articulate our thoughts. Virtually online and, and, and no code. I love the no code software out there right now, for example, like, uh, notion of Coda and things like that. Allows us to work virtually allow us to be able to document and be able to process, uh, you know, to put our thoughts into processes where we can actually be able to build that team, uh, virtually.
[00:34:21] So I think if you guys would get a lot of no code software and how I see how that could benefit your career and see how that could benefit your organization, that would be fantastic.
[00:34:32] Dane Reis: Yeah, I am a massive fan of notion. I’m using notion right now.
Uh, it’s my everything. It’s like my,
uh, second brain, if you will. I think there’s a couple of YouTube ads that actually call it that, um, it’s brilliant. It’s like dump all for, for everything.
[00:34:45] Pak Chau: It’s awesome. It’s awesome. And also is so versatile because
you could, you could build out things the way that you want, or you can just use templates. Right. So I think that’s, I think that’s awesome. And I think we, they have a very, very strong community as well because of the fact that people who share the design of their lives, you know, with everybody, and then you see.
[00:35:03] They are this wave of influencers, but also content creators, telling people how things could be managed, which I think is all the rage right now. And I think when it comes to creative industries, that’s one of the things that maybe a certain people would overlook, which is talking about, Hey,
you know, it’s not just about the celebrities and it’s not just about the production they talk about is also like, you know, how do you manage that?
[00:35:25] How do we keep that whole process transparent and organized in a way. That, that could be not just happen one time, but actually be able to reproduce it over and over again and having something like this would really be able to not just,
you know, kind of develop your own organization, but actually be able to have that be, I would say something, a resource that could be shared, um, to, to the next generations of creators as
[00:35:48] Dane Reis: Yes, well
well said. And the fifth question, if you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in this industry, what would you do or not do? Would you do anything differently or would you keep it.
[00:36:03] Pak Chau: Hey, we’ll definitely keep it.
[00:36:04] the same.
Um, uh, the reason for that is because I would never, that is, uh, is a time travel, uh, a loop because the problem is. Which I wouldn’t, um, uh, I would not have gone through the failures that have, and those are really the fundamental building blocks of who I am. You know, I’m not just my successes.
[00:36:23] I am very much my failures also, and I’m very proud to be my failures because
I, I, I went through that and not, not only did I go through it, but I actually. It felt like I went out and went for it being a better person, not just because I had learned. The mistakes I made, but because I had, would it be able to, I would say, embrace the mistakes that I made, knowing that I can make those mistakes and maybe I should make those mistakes.
And, and especially some of the failures that I had early on as entrepreneurs, I would never have learned how to manage this company. If, if, if I hadn’t had the pain. That comes along with it. The pain of, you know, disappointing your investors, the pain of losing your own money, the pain of looking at your employees and having a learn golf, those pain live with me every day.
[00:37:18] And those pain a reminder, not just, I’m not scared of two of them, but I will look at them as treasures, as memorable nuggets that I could use. For wisdom for making future decisions where I need to take that into account.
And, and I felt like that is one of the things that, um, instead of, I would say maybe, you know, kind of turning back some mistakes.
[00:37:40] I felt like one of the things that I. Um, not, you know, is to, would it be able to,
um,continue to make mistakes, continue to, um, to embrace them and continued? yeah.
[00:37:52] At that moment you should feel sad because
that, that’s what mistakes are like, if you just okay.
[00:37:56] with it. That’s not very, that’s not very fun game.
[00:37:59] You should be sad, maybe even miserable for some time, because you did something that you didn’t expect yourself to do.
Um, maybe you maybe underachieved, you know, and then that’s the process of learning, um, is to get those feedback. Sometimes those feedback hurts and sometimes the more it hurts, the more personal it is, the better it is for me personally, to learn.
[00:38:19] So that’s really,
um, uh, Yeah. I would not do anything differently.
[00:38:23] Dane Reis: And the last question, what is the golden nugget knowledge drop you’ve learned from your successful career? You’d like to leave with our listeners.
[00:38:32] Pak Chau:
I think, I think I would better, it very much stay in the same tune and say embrace it. Um, and the whole entire journey is all the, or all sat there. There’s gotta be, um, there’s no external results or success. Can come out of it, except for the process of Woody enjoying doing the things that you love to do.
[00:38:52] And I think that’s true for most entertainers because
we, we, I entertain us. We love what we do, and that’s why we do it. We don’t do it for external motives and those things could come. There that are external rewards that comes with it. And that mixed the whole entire economy and the whole entire industry sustainable, which is fantastic.
[00:39:12] And you can have a comfortable life and everything that goes along with it. And you can all, you have trophies that you can show your friends and your future generations also, but never forget why you went into this in the first place.
Uh, I would say it reminded that I have for myself all the time, which is when I get stressed or when certain things kind of, kind of break me down a little, just focus on the pure. And disappointment and of doing this because that is what we signed up for. And I think to not embrace that process positive or negative is really a detriment to the whole entire industry. So I would say really believe in that process and kind of experience every ounce of it, um, you know, with, with, with, with graciousness and, and be able to just.
[00:39:56] You know,
You know, it, it is a, I would say for most of human generations of what most of human history, um, we have it really, really, really rough. And now we’re in this, I would say even golden age of creators of people that I can be connected around the world for people that can watch content at home. Take that opportunity, uh, take that chance to really express what it means to be human.
[00:40:19] And I think right now,
um, we should be grateful for the chance that we have as entertainers in, in this world to really be able to express our
[00:40:28] Dane Reis: yes, very well said, definitely worth a replay as well. And to wrap up this interview pack, it’s time for you to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? Is there anything you want to.
[00:40:45] Pak Chau:
Uh, you can find me on Instagram at PAC ciao. Uh, and you can also find me on LinkedIn as package shell. So Patrick, shout his name so you can go online and find me that. Um, I think we also have, um, maybe a, uh, Uh, uh, I think a link that will be attached to this. So that’s, that’s good. The thing that I want to promote is two things.
[00:41:02] Number one is,
uh, multimedia My company that I’ve been talking about in this podcast. Um, when you guys check it out, um, if you guys are, um, interested in exploring existential concepts and would he be able to ask these important fundamental questions for different forms of storytelling? I think you guys should.
[00:41:20] Definitely check multimedia out. And then another thing obviously is the animation series that we are producing called . That will be more updates for you guys going forward. But right now we have really be able to, or were already released free out of five episodes from the, our pilot season. So you guys could go check it out,
um, uh, in the links below.
Uh, and then obviously, uh, we will also, uh, very much like you guys to stay along in that journey. And then next next year, we are launching a big crowdfunding campaign. Uh, and it will also, um, be, you know, pondering with streaming platforms to kind of bring this to everybody’s home. So I’m very excited about those things and just want to thank you so much for interviewing me today.
Uh, Woody happy to be here, and I’m really grateful at the chance to, to share a little bit over
[00:42:09] Dane Reis: My pleasure and everyone, thank you for listening out there. I have put the links to everything that pat just referenced into the description of this episode. So you can easily go check out everything he’s got going on, and also be sure to share this podcast with your fellow entertainers, coaches, teachers, arts, and entertainment educators, and anyone.
[00:42:32] Aspiring to create a career in the entertainment industry. You booked. It is the number one resource of expertise on how to actually create a successful entertainment career case in point, everything PAC gave us today in this interview. So many golden nuggets, so many sections where you should definitely hit the replay button a time or two.
[00:42:55] So if you enjoy this episode, hit that subscribe button. So you don’t miss the next one. Pat. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for reaching out so glad we got connected.
[00:43:06] Pak Chau: Yes,
let’s let’s, uh, let’s keep connected.
[00:43:07] and keep in touch Woody.
Uh, would he keep up the good work with the podcasts and everything that you’re doing? Willy Woody. Fantastic too. Would it bring the entertainment industry And the creative industries together?
[00:43:18] Dane Reis: thank you.