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EP 216: Katie Chonacas (autogenerated)

Dane Reis: You booked it. Episode 216.

All right. Let’s kick off today’s episode today. I’ve got Katie. . Katie, are you ready for this?

Katie Chonacas: I’m always ready, Dane. Thanks for having me. 

Let’s go.

Dane Reis: You bet. Awesome. Katie is an international actor, author, environmental activist, and a woman empowerment coach, a modern day Renaissance woman. Indeed. She is everything but imaginative. She is an artist who uses her profession and the arts to spread hope and love. She empowers others to improve their lives and reach their full potential.

Katie. That is a very concise intro of who you are and what you’ve done, but Hey, why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself, filling the gaps and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry.

Katie Chonacas: Great. Great. thank you for the beautiful introduction. Yeah. I just feel like in life there’s so many choices and experiences that happen, so there’s a fine balance of finding out what works for you and what doesn’t. That works for you, take the gems along the way and be in gratitude and appreciate those things.

And the ones that offer you instead of having adversity to it or negativity judging it or judging someone else, just leave it by the wayside and just, you know,for me, it’s oh, that didn’t serve me. It taught me what I don’t want. So it gives me a clear direction of who I do want to be and who I want to surround myself with.

And the. Choices. I want to make, to live my best potential full life, and I like to do that with ethics, morals, and values. I feel in life, people can prey on you and put their agendas on you. And we’re meant to have beautiful expanse and it does stop us to discover what that is.

but we go hand in hand walking with other people and that’s a part of the relationship and the jury. As well. yeah, in entertainment, I, apply all the colors, emotions, experiences onto the craft of acting, whether it’s comedy or drama. And I do that in my music too. I do it on my voiceovers. I do animation for video games and commercials and,dramatic roles and comedy roles.

Katie Chonacas: You know,film, TV, and then, I’m also, I love shooting stills. I have a very sharp eye and I’m very specific in my vision. Just like the intro that you write. It’s very specific and cultivated that, through the decades. And, um, also I had initiative, um, intuitively Pitt when I was using. things that are already new.

I feel like when we’re born, we have these gifts of knowing and we, those sacred. So I was able to really coddle them and Polish them and keep them really sacred and honed into my heart and soul to honor my journey while 

I’m here. 

Dane Reis: Oh, I love that. So good. And everyone, truly Katie, does everything go check out her website? Of course, all of those things will be in the show notes. and you can do that after this episode, but yeah, she. Does all the things it’s amazing. She’s truly as, like she said, in the in the bio of Renaissance woman.

So make sure you check out more of her after this interview, but firstlet’s, uh, let’s dig into this first section here and Katie, look, I am a sucker for a good quote. What is your favorite quote? You’d like to share with everyone?

Katie Chonacas: Oh, Here’s one really love, by mother Teresa, it’s called, let us always meet each other with a smile for the smile is the beginning of love. 

Dane Reis: mm, love that. And can you expand on that a bit on how that’s worked its way into your career as well?

Katie Chonacas: Yeah. I just feel there’s this book how to win friends and influence people. And now there’s like an updated version of how to win friends and influence people in the digital age. And one of the things that says in the book is if you are texting someone and you put an emoji of a smile face, You’ll get people responding back with energy, excitement, you’ll feel the rush and they’ll respond a lot quicker.

And so I did it just for like kicks. I literally, like after I read that I, I texted maybe 15 to 25 people. I was like, I was just thinking about you. I think you’re wonderful. I’m so happy. You’re in my life. And I did all these smiley faces. Emojis. I got so much love and attention back and I just felt elated.

I just felt so full inside. So I just feel like when you smile, it really sends an energetic message from one spirit to another. And at the end of the day,we all have the same, stuff that we’re all made up. So my friend Robert Sterman was actually a podcast. the second to last episode, I think it is, and he was telling me a really prolific story.

We’re going to go like way left here. But, he told me the story cause he was, and he’s an international artist and he was doing a photography series with people in prison and. he was working with a lot of police officers and there he’d heard the story from a police officer saying they found this note from a guy saying he’s walking to the San Francisco bridge.

And if one person smiles at him along the way he won’t jump. 

Dane Reis: Well, 

Katie Chonacas: Yeah, and he jumped because no one smiled at him. So power smiles just really profound. I

feel. 

Dane Reis: Yeah, truly something that we. We take for granted uh, we don’t really appreciate its full power, so simple, right? Such a simple thing to communicate and it can be the foundation of everything.

Katie Chonacas: yeah, And how I show up, in my work is, when I’m going to casting offices or meeting agencies and, I’m having these meetings and you’re smiling, it’s an expression of love. And it’s me wanting to. invite them into my stratosphere. And it’s me saying, I want to be invited into what you’re doing and I honor and respect who you are and what you’re a part of.

And we can collectively do this together hand in hand. So I think that’s the power of a smile. And then that exchange of energy through love and, to have it in the workplace in a professional way. 

Dane Reis: yeah, collectively do things. Hand-in-hand I love that because. All of life, but really in the S in our in this creative space, it it’s it’s all a collaboration, right? There’s no one that’s all alone doing this.

Katie Chonacas: Yeah. Even, we feel like we’re alone, we’re not alone. And in life and in the industry, I know so many times I’ve felt so isolated and I’ve isolated myself. And there’s this pleasure in this.

addiction of self isolation, because an artist feels like they have to have solitude or just have this quiet space or disconnect in such a way to feel that sabotage or feel that raw emotion.

Feel to inflict something. we have to check in with one another and be careful about that because one can do it for a long time and it’s actually an unhealthy behavior and we want the best for ourselves. But you know,on a psychological level, a lot of us have been inflicted with other people’s wounds by, you know,our psyches have been inflicted by other people’s insecurities and projections.

And what. Put onto ourself, a responsibility of needing to be this or a picture-perfect actor or musician or dancer in the TV or the movies and it’s, and we compare ourselves with others and we give them, we put these bars so high. We can’t even obtain these goals. We ended up disconnecting from our own gifts and our own, oxygen.

So I think it’s a really important thing to check in with,isolation cause it’s healthy. Certain point, but then it’s important, like you said earlier about, hand in hand. So I’m checking in with one another and just, if you’re thinking about something, it’s like an energetic scientists that say, Hey, I was just thinking about you, how are you?

Because you never know what someone could be going through. And then something happens. You’re like, oh Yeah, they were quiet. I have no idea. I just didn’t know, but we need to get outside of ourselves and get into action. And that’s what acting is. Okay. She had, and being outside of ourselves, not analytical in our head and being interested in other people and observing and seeing what’s going on.

And that’s going to give us some more fruitful life. 

Dane Reis: so good love all of that as well. I’m really excited to dig into the rest of the interview. So let’s kick it off with this section here. And Katie, of course you are an entertainer, I’m an entertainer. And I think that you’d agree that this industry can be one of the most subjective, brutally, honest and personally emotional industries in existence. And you know, as well as I, that in order to create and have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now takes a little. Of dedication and hard work. And while yes, there is an outrageous amount of fun, excitement and fulfillment doing what we do. There are also our fair share of obstacles, challenges, and failures.

We are going to experience and we’re going to have to move forward through. So tell us, what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out the other side better because of it.

Katie Chonacas: It’s a really good question. I’m still kind ofchallenging with it. if I could be 1000% Frank with you, but if you Google, how, young Hollywood leathers, there’s a stigma in Hollywood to be like youthful and available. So I made, choices not to be with a partner and to be isolated, to be independent, to be alone, to do it on my own.

And it was really. Great to have this power in this force and this determination and this conviction to do it. Also, I feel like I, because I was so exact with all of thing, I felt like I put a lot of pressure on myself where I could have been, hand in hand with other people along the way, if I wasn’t so cut off from other individuals where I wouldn’t allow other people who.

help me because my pride was too big and my ego is too strong. And I didn’t want to be known as like someone’s girlfriend or I didn’t want to be known as oh, got this role because they’re friends with this person. So I self sabotage and I wouldn’t allow myself to be friends with people and experience things with people because I thought other people were going to judge me to say, make it on my own.

Katie Chonacas: And I came from Detroit and I wanted to, be known for my body. which I am now. but in the beginning I had those insecurities and I wouldn’t allow people to help me. So I had to learn to build those bridges. And now I have people who, are, female empowerment, stable women. Like, I just had a bunch oflike men I looked up to, but now I have more females that I would, call onto in the industry.

And if I don’t know something, instead of being so insecure and trying to figure out by myself or inflicting that thing that I told you earlier, I reach out, I communicate and I break it down and by communicating and saying, Hey, this is my weakest link. Hey, I’m going to tell you something I’m so insecure, but I just have to tell you, and then you kind of likebe friended and like laughing.

Then you dismantle the energy from it being inside and festering and grown bigger and bigger into this monster where it’s like weighing you down into the past of depression. And I just nip it in the butt and just get it out and say, Hey, I’m like really insecure about this thing. Or I really don’t know about this thing.

And then someone more than likely I’m like, Hey, no, it’s not a big deal. Or Hey, go to this website or I know this person, or check out this book or something like that. And so then it gives a chance to. To the next level to dissect and figure it out instead of,being all alone. So I really learned to trust other people in peers, because I had a lot of trust issues and a pride of doing it.

on my own.

So I really cultivated and developed that along my journey. And. fun. And that’s why I say, you know,hand in hand. Cause it’s more, we can do it alone. Yeah. If we can do it alone, I proved to myself. I could. is it take more? Okay. I’m okay with that. but exhausting, doing alone when you can do it, with other people it’s more 

fun. 

Dane Reis: Yeah, absolutely. The collaboration and also just the leveraging of the relationships in your network, in the industry, because we’re all going through it. We’re all experiencing this industry and in our own ways, and we all have our own journeys and other people’s journeys include different challenges.

And if you can, you know, I guess in a way, shortcut or leverage someone else’s experience, so you can. Get through a challenge faster or help other people get through challenges faster as they you know, as they experienced them. Then that’s kind of, the name of the game is to help everyone out and really cultivate this, this community that we have.

Katie Chonacas: So,what you just said is beautiful. And I do that for other people. It’s one of the reasons why I have.

my popular podcast to add value and give that insightful information because I can remember being 12 and I wanted that wisdom. So I do for others before my podcast. I just I’ve always done it because I know what it feels.

And I want that to however, By doing it. I wouldn’t allow it to be reciprocal. For some reason I had an unhealthy relationship. I thought it was manipulative. I don’t know if someone told me along the way, but I felt like I was being manipulative. If I was gaining something and I had trouble receiving, I would give out.

Yeah, I would give the cup, keep going, but then I wasn’t able to receive it and allow the receive. So now I have the balance of being able to, okay. I put a lot out, but oh, someone’s gifting me something receive,receive, and allowing space and just breathing through it, even though it feels so uncomfortable to receive sometimes and just saying like it’s okay and just re saving it and just be in gratitude for it.

And, but afterwards, sometimes a lot of times I would feel guilty. yeah, So it’s being aware of the emotions and going around it and through it anyway, not letting our emotions stop.

Dane Reis: going around it and not letting our emotions stop us. Wonderful. Well, let’s move on to a time that I like to call your. Spotlight moment. That one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be an entertainer for a living or maybe it was, yes. This is what I need to be doing in the industry.

Tell us about that.

Katie Chonacas: Yeah. I always knew it ever since I was little. I just, I love making people smile. I love entertaining people. So that’s what I wanted to do. I thought that’s how I was going to receive them, like the most joy. And I like that feeling of joy and God’s grace. So I wanted to do that for others. I’m in. Path.

And I’m an age SP which is a highly sensitive person in 16 to 20% of the population are HSEs whether we know it or not. And I didn’t know the language of HSP and empath when I was a kid, but I could feel the energies of other people around me. And I saw,with circumstances of limited TV and just hearing adults speak in the vibration.

In the tones, I felt the dense energy and the weight. Of the world and I’m a lighting. I’m very nice, but I know I’m, I’m, I’m here doing God’s work and I’m,I’m one of God’s angels and I’m here to be the light. And on your worst day, I’m just here to be the light. So if it’s for one minute, five minutes, five years, 50 years, it’ll be an imminent ripple effect in a transfer of energy to make an impact for a lifetime.

That’s why I showed up today. I mean,that’s why we’re here. I feel holding space for other people. So, you know,they can feel that.

Within their own lives. it feels really good. And, I saw just a lot of people being very numb to those things and,Robin Williams, God bless his soul. All of the standup comics and comedians, I’ve been told in the industry.

They’re the ones, the comedians, they’re the ones that, are the most depressed and have the most sorrow because, and that’s why other people making other people laugh because they know and they want other people to feel that suffering that they feel. And I feel that as well. 

Dane Reis: let’s piggyback on that real quick, a little bit. And let’s talk about your number one, booked it moment. walk through the day, the audition and callbacks if they happen to be a part of it, but what was going on in your life. And what about that moment? Makes it your favorite book? Tit moment.

Katie Chonacas: Yeah. Jesse McCartney. He’s really cool. He’s a singer and an actor, Jesse McCartney. And, I was at his condo and he was with, what’s her name? Katie Cassidy at the time they just started going out and Jesse’s friend Bradley. It was all of us. And. They were in the living room. We were all hanging out and I had an audition for CSI New York.

And so I was in one of the bedrooms studying, just studying and I was having visualizations. And while I was, doing the craft of acting,

I went somewhere that normally I would never go to in my psyche, a scary place where I was actualizing. Something happening to someone that I really cared and care about and love so much.

And to cross that vulnerable barrier, for a role, I questioned my own authority. I’m like, what are you doing? You know? Cause like I,I don’t want like superstitions, is there anything like that to happen? But I had to emotionally go somewhere that I’ve never gone before and I was able to do that and I felt that subtle energy and I felt.

what was going on and my visuals of, the scenes for CSI New York. And I knew I called it and I knew before I went in that I was going to book the role. yeah.

Katie Chonacas: and I did, and I booked it. And the same thing with it’s always sunny in Philadelphia, same thing with cold case, I knew strong medicine, same thing.

Like I knew it was my role. Like sometimes you have hopes and you know,things, but sometimes you just really know things like you’re able to have this visual connection. I feel like we have to be so open to actually do that work, to go there and spend time with self or otherwise. We’re just, doing the research.

going . Over the role, hoping for the best, but you have to like really sink under everything you already always already do. And just go even deeper. And the more deeper we go, I think the more it actualizes and it’s scary and it’s time-consuming and there’s resistance to go there.

I’ve believe me, I’ve done it many times. I think I had 27 auditions last week 

Katie Chonacas: alone. 

Dane Reis: Wow. Wow. That’s so good. I think that whole section was so important for everyone to rewind and re-listen to that. so good. and that feeling of, of committing and like going to that next level, like you said, it’s scary. Right. Um, so good. I love that. Let’s take a moment to talk about the present. What projects are you working on now?

What are you looking forward to? And you know, we’re still amidst this global pandemic things are changing, coming and going all the time. How do you see the entertainment industry moving forward in the next couple of years?

Katie Chonacas: Yeah, I think we’re in a hybrid world. I think it’s finally, there’s a lot of evolvement. I think it’s wonderful. I think it’s great. I think humans are being more respectful of the planet and one another. consumerism and, for example, just the actor going to an audition, going to paramount, going to wa Warner brothers driving around wasting gas money, your time, like when you can do self-tapes now, and everything’s through a self-tape and for people who have social anxiety or, who mess up in the audition who really bombing, and then they’re like feeling.

bad and everything. It’s like now you can self-tape and it’s really easy. to do that and with technology and you don’t have to have expensive lighting equipment, it’s all about the role and the work and the content, so I think it’s really evolving to a beautiful place. I love all the different shows on the different streaming services.

Katie Chonacas: I love HBO is doing all these limited series. So,I’m up for a movie right now. For an HBO max, a limited series. I just went out. So hopefully next week I’m going to Puerto Rico to shoot that. That would be great. So that’s what my that’s some of the intention I’m holding. You know, the meditation, all I can do is, be centered, healthy, and prepared to, hit a run.

So when the agent calls you, it, even though it’s my first time hearing, it’s really a callback because the agent, the manager and agent, they already submitted you and the casting director out of everyone, they already said, yes, we want to see her work. So when not, when they’re calling me, that’s really.

My first time, but that’s really a callback. It’s their second time. And then thankfully they’re booking, you know,right off the tapes now, which is great. So my intention is to be a household name in animation with an animation series and be on screen acting. So with all, everything I’ve done in entertainment and traveling the world and everything I’ve done, I really filled my cup.

Lord where I dabbled and had success, many areas, and now I’m ready to be a household name. And I was very,very close twice and then ran. But this time I’m not running, like I know myself like Socrates know thyself, From within and from without. So I know myself so well now that I can really show up to any single role and give, my version of.

My truth and feel 1000% confident about it from traveling the world from being interested from talking to people, from reading, from hacking, from applying the knowledge. So,those are my goals and my intentions for now. And. I am elevating people, enriching people with my two decades plus of experience.

So if they can learn it in one month or six months. What I learned in 10 years, I want to be able to pay the wave pave the way for people so they can obtain their goals a lot sooner. And I feel like in the technology area, Or a, an age that we’re in right now, we can do that and just be open to share information and we can show someone the door, but they have to walk through. 

Dane Reis: yes. Love all of that. Thank you. And it’s so exciting, what you have going on in the fact that I love this whole virtualization of our industry, this hybrid world, as you called it, because it really does make things more accessible. For all of us.

Katie Chonacas: Yeah.

And also people aren’t limited if they need someone in Australia or if they need somewhere, someone in England being we can, if they need different dialects or something, we, the casting directors have access all that and they can connect with other international casting directors and producers and actors can connect.

And. Make projects together on zoom. And, I did a web series on zoom during the pandemic and we put it in the film festival circuit. And it has over 27 official selections. I won best director and best actor for four. So far, we won about best web series for about 17 so far. And they was all just made in the pandemic.

I just wanted to create something and then, okay. How can that be reciprocated? by putting it into international film festivals. So then my fellow producers. Network executives and directors and the thespians can see the work and we can be connected. And I, the speaking of communicating with your peers, and not doing all on your own, I talked to my two partners, Ali, Sandra Levy, and Nicki Scorpio.

And we split at one third, one third, one third. So I didn’t have. You know,finance the whole thing by myself and weigh myself down and they were a part of it. And then they share it, they talk about it and it has a life of its own. So that’s just one example of how to bridge that connection. So it can flourish and be bigger than myself.

Be bigger than you. 

Dane Reis: it is time to move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightening round. I am going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible one after another. Are you. 

Katie Chonacas: Ready. 

Dane Reis: All right. First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career as an entertainer?

Katie Chonacas: Great question. I was just, I guess I was so scared. Honestly. I felt if it, my egoic mind, I felt it when my dreams came true. I thought that was it. And that I would die. So I would do all these things. build myself up. And then instead of it, getting on the caboose to go into the train station, to have a life of its own, it would collapse and I would build it up and get it there.

When it was about to get on the track to go out and then it would collapse. And I kept doing that in rotation with all the things I was interested in because I was so scared. I was so in my ego at mine. That I thought I was going to die and I didn’t want to leave the earth. And then I found out, no, once you get on the caboose and they take a life of their own, you’ve released the energy and then there’s so many more guests to come. 

Dane Reis: Mm such good imagery loved that second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received?

Katie Chonacas: Packet, just do it. Start messy and go one foot in front of the nut. Another it’ll work itself out. Just start messy and make it. happen. 

Dane Reis: I love it. Third question. What is something that is working for you right now?

Katie Chonacas: Something that’s working for me right now is following my bliss, following my joy, juicing, a lot of juicing protein, like plant, remedy, rebel. I love those brands, proteins. superfoods. So being very intentional of what I’m putting into my body, temple, keeping very light, being very aware of my emotions, meditating three times a day, listening to people like Caroline mice, mys S she’s a mystic intuitive.

Dr. Joe Dispenza, Dr. Gregg Braden, Dr. Huberman. educating myself and,learning the language of biology and behavioral science to really understand myself more humanity. And then, the craft of my character. 

Dane Reis: Fourth question. What is your best resource? Whether that is a book, a movie, a YouTube video, maybe a podcast or a piece of technology you found is helping your career right now.

Katie Chonacas: I think I am. DB is amazing. I movie the database. So I’ve used it ever since I was a kid and I always refer fellow thespians and people who are filmmakers for IMD, because anytime you meet anyone or you want to know what someone’s up to, or if you want to reach out to the. People in pre-production or production, you can always send them your reel or say, Hey, I’m like, I see you’re working on this project.

It’s really exciting. And please keep me in mind or say, Hey, like I, I just wrote Dick Wolf, not too long ago. My mom’s been wanting me to write him forever. I’m like, I finally wrote him like, hi, I’m a big fan and would love to work on one of your projects. So sowing seeds, you know, so indeed. So I MDB I think is a great resource.

also be here now is an amazing book by Ron boss. So I have that right next to me be here now, roaming free inside the cage is another book, which is amazing. So I definitely recommend the books I’m reading right now. 

Dane Reis: Brilliant. And the fifth question, if you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in the industry, what would you do or not do? Would you do anything differently or would you keep it the same?

Katie Chonacas: yeah.

Yeah. 1000%. I see now for two decades in my career of all the, I see now of the two decades of my career, all the energy I exuded out of, enthusiasm out of being just like, like blindsided joy. I was people pleasing and wanting everyone to like me and I was putting out all this energy.

but it wasn’t reciprocal and, it was quite draining. So I feel like by shape shifted and could go in a time capsule back or start now and do something different, which I am doing now. Actually, I’m just being very cautious and mindful of who I meet up with of who I speak with, of how long I’m speaking with some one, feeling, Like how I feel when someone says something, how it makes me feel, not be rating them and letting them know like,oh, I feel this way, but just, you know,if I try to communicate, but then it’s, if it’s the same vicious cycle I see, I have the strength now in the red flags and the awareness to dismantle and just pivot my attention to flow, to joy, to be going upstream, or to be going, One one way Abraham Hicks says you’re going, you’re either going upstream or downstream, upstream and downstream.

Katie Chonacas: So downstream is flowing. Upstream is going against the current. So checking in with things that like, make me feel that they’re going against me and just, I’m not going against that force. So ju just to be more delicate, with life and, ultimately with myself, 

Dane Reis: Hmm. Yeah, a hundred percent. And the last question, what is the golden nugget knowledge drop you’ve learned from your career in this industry? You’d like to leave with our.

Katie Chonacas: Okay. It’s Dennis Quaid. When I came to Hollywood, I met him right away, like immediately. One of my first Hollywood events, Quaid told me he’s like,he looked at me, we’re in this booth.

It was just the two of us. And he’s like,I’m going to tell you straight out. He’s like,you need three things in this town. you need a manager, you need an agent, and you need a job. He said F the rest. Agent, Manager, and a Job… F the rest. And I, he sowed that seed early in my career, and I held that really dear to my heart manager, agent job F the rest. 

Dane Reis: So good love that. So good. So simple. Yes.

Katie Chonacas: those are, those are the three principles of what you need. Yeah.

Dane Reis: Beautiful. And it clearly served you well,

Katie Chonacas: yeah. Yeah. Just stay focused. It’s very analytical and it’s the journey of life. So we go off in every which ways. And I went off in many. Um,and now I’m going to target, I’m just sitting here hungry and just agent manager. I got them both jobs. So the opportunity comes, everything else just goes by the side.

And I just focus on doing what I can do. But, like I said, a little earlier, not only just doing it and being done with it actually post after, it’s like,oh, I did my best, but kind ofmeditate afterwards too, and be in gratitude and like really focus on that with intention. I think we don’t understand the power that we actually have, and we were very powerful beings. 

Dane Reis: Yes, And it has come to that time where, well, it’s time to wrap up this interview and it also means it’s time to give yourself a plug. So Katie, where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? Is there anything you want to promote?

Katie Chonacas: You’re awesome. Dane. Thank you. I love all the questions. I really appreciate you. thank you so much for the listener tuning in and holding space with us. We value you. yeah. Chinook is.com H. CAS is my website. I do industry coaching. So definitely connect with me. One-on-one if you want to have industry coaching with me also, just my podcast, she’s all over the place.

Podcasts. It’s every single topic you can think about,about entertainment, life travels and things like that. Spiritual growth. I have over 60 episodes on there now that everyone can on tune into, yeah. And I’m on all the social media platforms, LinkedIn clubhouse, Instagram, all of them. My last name Tanaka is Katie chin 

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Dane Reis: Brilliant. Love it. And for everyone listening out there, I have put the links to everything. Katie just said into the description of this episode. So you can easily connect with her and also be sure to share this podcast with your fellow entertainers, coaches, teachers, arts, and entertainment educators, and anyone, you know, aspiring to create a career in the entertainment industry.

You booked. It is the number one. Resource of expertise on how to actually create a successful entertainment career case in point, everything Katie gave us today in today’s episode, if you enjoyed this one, make sure you hit that subscribe button. So you don’t miss the next guest.

Katie. Thank you so much. I’m so glad we got connected and I’m so honored that you were on the show.

Katie Chonacas: You’re so sweet. Thank you so much. And to the person’s, QDM leave a five star review and leave some comments on some nuggets that you took away from this episode. I would love for Dane to reach out and tell me and hear about them. 

Dane Reis: absolutely

Katie Chonacas: Cool. Rock and roll. I appreciate you. Thank you. 

Dane Reis: thank you.