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EP 223: David Ciccarelli – CEO Voices.com (autogenerated)
Dane Reis: you booked it. Episode 223. All right. Let’s kick off today’s episode. I am super stoked for my guests today. I’ve got David . David, are you ready to do this?
David Ciccarelli: All right. I’m definitely ready to do this Dane.
Thanks for having me.
Dane Reis: You bet. David is an entrepreneur at heart for the last decade. David has grown a voices from the ground up to become the leader in the voiceover industry with the help of his team. Most recently, he has led the charge through voices, transition from a. Or to an audio services marketplace, newly adding translation, audio production, and a music composition to the services offered on voices.com.
As CEO, David is responsible for setting the vision, executing the growth strategy, creating a vibrant culture and managing the company on a day to day basis. David, that is a very tight synopsis of what you’ve done and what you do in the industry. But why don’t you expand on that a bit, filling the gaps and tell us a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry.
David Ciccarelli: Absolutely. I’d love to, you know, most of us found our start in life as a child. For me, it was the love for music and the love for sounds. I grew up playing drums and piano. I also tinkered with audio technology record players. We had the short wave radio at home where you could dial into radio stations from around the world.
So I was always fascinated with the tech as well as the arts and the. When it came time to actually finding post-secondary education, you know what we’re going to do in college university, I actually came across a school called the Ontario Institute of audio recording technology in effect. , it’s a school that’s dedicated to the art and craft and science of sound.
And there it’s. I learned where to, , record it and produce me. And audio really for all kinds of mediums and actually opened up my small, a small recording studio of my own, a project studio here in London, Canada. It’s just about a couple hours outside of Toronto who were looking for a reference point on the map and DNA.
I actually got my name in the local newspaper on my birthday of all. And a kind of introduced me the studio to the local arts community, uh, and, and even the business community. And it actually turned out that, , Stephanie who’s now of course my wife and co-founder in the company at the time, she was a music major at the Western music school.
The local university here. And she would sing, you know, freelance or on gig basis at, at weddings, at funerals at special events. So when her mom saw this newspaper article about a new studio opening up, she’s like, this is a great opportunity to get her singing repertoire recorded. So her mom cuts out the article, leaves it for Stephanie and Stephanie ends up coming down to the store.
Where we of course hit it off right away. Um, and because of that, uh, and, and did recorded her repertoire indeed, but because of that same newspaper article, and I think it shows you the power of publicity, even within your local community, that, there were other small businesses in town that wanted a, recording, done.
A voiceover done. One was furry, a hair salon, where did some wanted some local eyes, some radio ads. And then there was an event management company. Y. Phone system recordings updated. Now both of them wanted a female voice talent. Now I was kind of a narrative, as they said an engineer by, I only knew one girl in the city and that was Stephanie, who I had just met.
So I gave her a call. I said, you’ve got a great singing voice. I know you’ve done on stage performing. Throughout your career to date, would you consider, I got this gig that a couple of gigs that came in, would you consider being the female voice talent and I’ll be the engineer and the deal is we’ll split the money 50 50.
So that’s how we, uh, got together. Um, you know, yes, I guess by nature. It’s true. I suppose I just realized I, I might’ve married my first customer in the studio. Um, but nonetheless, we also started working together and, um, you know, really did freelance voice-over work needs the engineer’s Stephanie has the talent.
But we put up this really basic recording, studio website, this website that promoted, our, little, entrepreneurial venture, if you will. And that actually attracted other freelance. People who spoke French and Spanish people who did commercial work, people who did narration long form narration for documentaries or corporate training material.
And then of course you have the celebrity impersonations and other character work that need to be done. And we would get these inquiries to this, to our website and say, Hey, can I be listed on there? I see you have one female voice. And then the roster grew. And next thing you know, we had a few dozen.
Independent voice talent from all around north America and eventually all around the world. And then concurrently, we had these clients, creative producers, um, you know, casting directors, people would contact us video producers who would say, I see this person that you have on there. How do I get in touch with them?
And that was the initial. Kind of aha moment that many of us have either in our career or entrepreneurial ventures of, wow, there’s a problem here. I think I can solve that. And for us, that was why don’t we step out of doing the production ourselves and instead reinvent what we’re doing, , as almost a, an online marketplace, which is what it’s become that connects the buyer and the seller, or in this case connects that talent, uh, mostly a voice talent with.
Client that buyer who’s looking to hire them for a specific project. And that’s what we’ve been doing from well over a decade. And, and it’s, it seems to be working out quite
well. , over the last couple of years.
Dane Reis: Yeah, very cool. I am excited to dig into this, but before we go any further, I want to get into this first section here and David, look, I am a sucker for a good quote. What’s your favorite quote? You’d like to share with everyone.
David Ciccarelli: Oh, I wish I, I wish I had a light, a quilt that I live by, um, maybe more, um, may offer a, a definition. Um, and I think that’s because I am more of a, you know, a business person per se, than, uh, that supports a lot of artists and entertainers. And so the definition I wanted to offer up is that of strategy. And I think we all need whether they’re career strategies or professional development strategies or.
Where do I get my clients? I need a strategy, a business strategy. And for that, I can see that that strategy is really the integrated set of choices that a business or a person makes that differentiates themselves from all the competition out there to deliver superior long-term results. Now let me unpack that if I may, Dane, because I think the takeaway, if you remember anything from this, this academic sounding definition of strategy, Integration, uh, of the set of choices.
So it’s strategy is choice. So think of it as like you’re walking down the path you see in your career or in your business venture, and you come to the proverbial fork in the road, right. You can go left or you can go, right. But you can’t go down both paths. Simultan. So you need a way to think about how do I make that choice and you know, that you are forced with that choice.
Now it’s been described that there’s some choices in life that are these one-way doors, right? You go down that and you cannot get. But the reality is that most of them are two way doors. You can go down a path. If it doesn’t work out, you can change course you can backtrack. That’s okay. But just go into every one of those moments, knowing that you’re making a choice and one framework, if you will, a mental model that I often use to make great choices is what I call 10, 10. Now it’s been kind of shared around and there’s people who’ve written about this idea as well, but I find it very helpful and instructive I’ll share shared briefly, which is when you come to that fork in the road, think about, am I going to be happy with this choice? 10 minutes from. 10 months from now and 10 years from now.
what I love about that is that it actually quantifies in sets up kind of makes it tangible of this otherwise intangible notion of short, medium and long-term consequences, right. Or what’s the outcome short, medium term. Okay. Am I still gonna be happy about this career choice? Maybe it’s an audition again.
Yeah. I really want to go after that job or go after that client or maybe it’s a partnership opportunity. Yeah. In the moment. I don’t think it’s going to be, it seems like it’s gonna be a lot of work, but if it did work at wow, 10 months from now, it could be great. Well, maybe that’s going to encourage you to do something otherwise.
I might in the short term seem like a direct distraction or just more work, but in the longterm could have huge dividends so that we, I think you can have a more balanced approach to choices over the short, medium. And long-term so hopefully that’s a, more than a quote, but more of a definition in a way to think about how we can
navigate life more effectively.
Dane Reis: Yeah, I love that. I think that’s super, super valuable and worth a massive rewind everyone for that one. And the 10, 10, 10 really liked that. I think it. It’s more, I guess it’s time bound. Right? When I liked that is as far as when people say, well, what’s the short, medium, and long-term goal. You hear that often, I think, but to define it in 10, 10, 10, makes it more real, I think, and more tangible to wrap your head around.
That’s really cool. I love that.
David Ciccarelli: Absolutely. And, and, and I think that, you know, if I may, I think it applies to both business and in life, uh, you know, your personal life as well, too. Um, there could be something that maybe is perhaps a distraction or a temptation, and you really got to ask yourself, is this the right thing to do? I mean, maybe in the short term, happy with at 10 minutes from now, I’m going to feel great.
Maybe it’s an impulse purchase or a quick decision I made. But, you know, unfortunately they’re set kind can sometimes be longer-term consequences that in the moment we just don’t pause long enough to contemplate what those outcomes might be. And then it might actually save yourself sermons from making some missteps with that longer-term
picture in mind.
Dane Reis: Yeah, a hundred percent love that. Well, let’s get into this next section here. And David, of course you are a professional in the entertainment industry. I’m a professional entertainment industry. And I think that you’d agree that Hey, this industry can be one of the most subjective, brutally, honest and personally emotional industries in existence.
And you know, as well as I, that in order to create and have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now takes. Of dedication and hard work. And while yeah, there’s an outrageous amount of fun and fulfillment doing what we do. There are also our fair share of obstacles and challenges and failures.
We are inevitably going to experience we’re going to have to move forward through. So tell us what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out the other side better because of it.
David Ciccarelli: Well, a story that comes to mind right away is after the initial launch of that website back so many years, more than a decade now we’re actually called interactive voices, which is even kind of stumbling on my own words. Just saying the name again now. I mean, we were gaining some traction, more voice actors and talent were signing up on the website and our brand promise was always, Hey, we’re going to provide you with opportunity.
And we came up with that. This idea to how do we communicate this opportunity that we’re going to deliver, um, from all the talent that we’re signing up, we had to get them these job opportunities, auditions, if you will. So we actually sent out jumbo sized postcards to potential clients in New York and LA thinking, Hey, there’s a lot of casting directors.
There there’s a lot of talent or advertising agencies, and maybe we could get them to register for our services. And then they would post some jobs, you know, post kind of these casting calls, if you will. And so. Um, we did this, uh, not just by sending these jumbo coat postcards, but by actually doing a giveaway on the postcard.
And then if you signed up, you’d be entered into a contest to win an iPod. And I thought that would be good. Well, the discovery that was made and kind of the real challenge was, well, there’s a lot of available talent. It’s really the client who’s kind of determining, you know, where they go to source their talent and who do they hire really factors outside of our control.
And despite kind of sending this out, we actually worked with a local, um, you know, direct mail, uh, advertising agency. I, we, you know, we spent $30,000 emailing 30,000 people, these postcards, and we sent not just one postcard, but they got one, like every couple of weeks, I think there was like three in the campaign.
Well, the punchline is this. After the six week and the three rounds of postcards were sent out, how many people entered in our content? Too, there is just two people. So from a business standpoint that sometimes referred to the cost per lead, our cost per lead, these weren’t even customers. They were just simply people who are interested in signing up, uh, or who had signed up was $15,000 each.
So completely outrageous. , what we did of course was we did have the iPod, we just put the names of the hat. We drew it. And then I remember the one fell. We call them up and be like, the guys, like I never win anything. I’m like, well, you were one of two people. , but I look back on that and realize, well, w what made you kind of went wrong?
, I realized that we were trying to get somebody to actually sign up on a website, but we mailed them. You know, piece of paper in the mail that probably ended up in a mail room then on someone’s desk. And then it kind of got moved around and it was almost this concept of channel switching, which is really bad to do in your marketing.
You want to have your marketing as close to like the point of action where someone’s going to take. And I think I would’ve learned. Okay. If you’re going to try to have somebody sign up on a website, maybe you should be doing more digital marketing. If however, your business is an offline business, maybe there’s different ways or communities or people that you can interact with offline, that they can come into your physical store presence.
So that was one thing. Now all’s not lost. You know, you got to figure out how do we make the most of an otherwise bad situation. $30,000 down the drain, so to speak. Well, we actually got some, you know, the, the marketing agency did develop some language around what it is that we do. Um, they designed kind of the initial color palette.
And they created these postcards, the, the imagery on it was this like retro style cartoon. He looked, it was actually really cool and kind of pretty edgy at the time. Um, and so it created this look, um, that included the message, uh, the mascots and, and this brand identity. So, well, it was a mistake and kind of this rejection, uh, you know, if you will, of like, Yeah, you can have a great idea for a website.
I realized it was going to be a lot less. Of a hall, um, to be able to engage with these producers and casting directors to convince them that we have a faster, better, easier way to
hire professional voice talent.
Dane Reis: very cool. And , what did you ultimately find was the draw.
David Ciccarelli: The draw was really having a simple message. It needs to be faster and easier or cheaper by T by a factor like a 10, 10 X factor. Now there’s kind of the saying that you can be fast, easy, or cheap pick two of the three because you can’t be too. You can’t be all three of those. You know, you can have food fast and it’s going to be cheap food, but it’s not necessarily better as in better quality.
On the other end, you can have high quality experience. Maybe going to the opera is a very high quality experience. It’s going to be expensive, but it doesn’t happen fast. Right. There’s a lot of kind of buildup and great, you know, circumstance during the mood there during the. Um, but it’s, it’s kind of a long drawn out thing.
So for us, the, the two of the three that we picked was let’s make it fast and easy. And then also like this kind of high quality, we want it to elevate the craft of voice acting for, uh, that the talent are providing. Um, so I mean, from a price perspective, that wasn’t what we were going to compete on because the talent.
You know, we, our business is based on shared success with those talent. The more that they make, the more that we make, there’s a transaction fee that comes out of the, the earnings, the jobs that they win on the platform. So we actually want to have those prices elevated those rates that they’re charged, , because we’re in it with them that , our incentives are aligned.
So, you know, I think that’s, we, we, we realized it’s not going to be price. And in fact, we’re probably going to elevate prices or re or maintain high prices are industry standard rates, if you will. And instead, just go really hard on this notion of like the value prop is like great quality and you can hire fast and easy.
And that’s what we’ve, uh, you know, really been
championing for the, for, for so many years.
Dane Reis: Yeah, it’s very cool. Well, let’s move on to a time that I like to call your spotlight moment. That one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be in this. Entertainment industry, this voiceover industry, or maybe it was, yes, this is what I need to be doing in this industry. Tell us about that.
David Ciccarelli: When I first started my business as a solo entrepreneur, I provided, , that small recording studio and it was really local bands and musicians at the beginning. It was actually in a loft apartment in the downtown of the city. , we had studio sessions there during the day. It also kind of ran later into the evening.
Now this arrangement was fine for a bachelor, I suppose. Um, but I quickly realized that this lifestyle means. Having and serving customers that didn’t work so well once we got married and then, you know, had our first child on the, on the way. And so, uh, most Stephanie, I knew that, uh, we needed to make a change in fast.
So, , that kind of came to a head once I said, once the first step, first child, our son, , was on the way. So his birth really served as that catalyst to moving to a new home, trying to separate, business, if you will, from the family life. But that business, , went from the recording of the musicians to working, you know, which are dare I say loud, , to say the least and, um, uh, much more of kind of, uh, an ambiance and an entourage that happens when we’re recording bands to working with.
, independent voice talent. I found out that actually that whole process was really ripe for digitization, that you could take that traditional method of, contacting talent agencies, having them do in-person auditions. We could really, as a, to use the term digitize that process where the client posted. And then the talent reply to that job online. So is that shift from like doing the sound engineering to that initial, , marketplace where we saw clients posting jobs and I realized, , that was the moment and I’m like, wow, , we’re gonna make. In this kind of hybrid world of being entertainers and we’re working in the entertainment and entertainment business, but also being in more of the business side of it.
And today voices is, is home to, well over 2 million registered users ranging in terms of talent, ranging from, , I’m exploring the industry to I’m an aspirational with a completed profile and a sample of my voice, and I’ve taken coaching and train. , all the way through to the professionals who are working day in, day out, knocking out, , auditions and delivering great work for clients around the world.
So that was a, I think that aha moment was the, the transition from the engineer to, , being really a business, , and a leader within business, , in the space. So, ,
hopefully that kind of, , hits the mark
on the spotlight moment as you.
Dane Reis: Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I want to piggyback on that real quick and let’s talk about your number one, booked it moment. Walk us through that day. What was going on in your life? And what about that moment? Makes it your favorite? Booked it moment.
David Ciccarelli: maybe not quite booked it in the traditional sense that I’m sure many of the guests here would share, but definitely in the business equivalent, if there ever was one, , there is a gentleman by the name of Glenn yadda Mitsui. He was a business advisor and kind of colleague and Mendeley mentor to me.
, he was the first executive coach that I ever had. Now about a year . Into that relationship. We add the word opportunity to work with, the firm that he was with, , the business development bank of Canada, the banks advisory services, Glenn led this whole group. And, , he actually made one particular session really memorable.
We were considering raising capital. You hear about in Silicon valley. You know, the entrepreneur has an idea. They create the pitch deck and they, they go down this road called Sandhill road where all the investors are and they, and they pitch kind of investor after investor. Well, we were going to do the same thing because there was an opportunity for us that we viewed to acquire a then competitor and we needed the capital.
We needed the money to acquire the competitor. Well, Glenn had actually created that. Kinda, he staged this whole, um, you know, environments where he was the investors that, uh, and he kind of had this whole persona that he says this, when I walk in off the elevator that day, I want you to treat me like, I’m the, I’m the big shot investor.
, from Morgan Stanley, a global investment bank who actually had a meeting with, , in the next week. So it was really timely. So basically we did role playing together and, , that notion of like the, you booked, it was not only did we pass the, , rehearsal with. Um,
but because of that preparedness, uh, voices was successful in raising $18 million from Morgan Stanley expansion capital.
And so I think practicing that performance with a real paddle and sharpening our skills and the ability to think on the fly we’re elements to that success. And really none of that would have been possible without having a mentor like Glenn. , so he’s, he continues to be a great champion and I’m certainly grateful for my
friendship with him.
Dane Reis: Oh, very cool. That’s amazing. Preparedness, right? That’s everything. so often we think about, auditioning and prepping for roles and things, , as actors. But I think sometimes we forget that, Hey, this also applies to other big moments in your life, whether that’s pitching to get funding, , or anything really that you can always find ways to prepare.
And role-play, as you, as you said, different scenarios that could possibly.
David Ciccarelli: Yeah,
I mean, fine. Find someone to ask you questions, right? They don’t have to role-play necessarily with you, but at least you’re in the, you’re in the zone. You’re in the moment. Um, you know, it’s, it’s so surprising, especially those who either, you know, maybe giving a speech or a talk for the first time you might’ve written out your speech or have your cue cards or your, you know, notes jotted down on your smart.
But have the words actually come out of your mouth. And I know I’m guilty of this sometimes too. I write down what I want to say. And then I realized I’ve never actually had that sentence formed and had the words come out of my mouth. So when I actually go to save for the first time, I find them kind of jumbling over and stumbling over my own words.
So by even saying the words. Is a great way to prepare of just anticipating what might be asked of me. If it’s an interview, if it’s an audition, what might be asked of me and kind of, what’s my, what’s my quote, unquote canned response or go-to response that I know I can fall back on if need be. So that’s you’re right.
It’s all part of preparedness.
Dane Reis: very cool. Well, let’s take a moment to talk about the present. What projects are you working on now? What are you looking forward to? And Hey, this pandemic has kind of coming and going and coming and going. Right. So how do you see. The entertainment industry or more specifically the voiceover industry, uh, changing or evolving over the next couple of years.
David Ciccarelli: Well in the present where we are right now, one of the things recently, we just launched as a community forum. It’s at community.voices.com. It’s really all designed for talent. We’ve expanded, um, kind of the, the, uh, options that talent can kind of sign up there and get feedback from other coaches and colleagues.
So if you just kind of before maybe signing up and uploading your sample. Of your voice on voices.com, maybe getting some feedback from a coach or other people within the industry. And you can do that, , on the community forum, , something else, uh, Dane, what we’ve done, uh, recently did touch on in the intro.
And I think it’s worth, , worth mentioning here is really expanding from. Uh, you know, quote unquote, just voiceover, which I think is still a huge, I mean, our assessment, it’s a $5 billion industry that’s spent , on working with voice talent and audio production, annually on a global basis. So massive, , industry and an opportunity.
But we’ve to kind of, um, hopefully building too, and kind of play a bigger role in that adding these additional services, creative services, such as translation and music composition, um, singing as well too. , those types of projects that go through the platform. , so that’s kind of where we are in the presence.
We every year work on a trends report, which I think is really cool. We, we both survey our clients kind of these producers and casting directors and ask them what changes they see. And then compile all that information up into an annual trends report, which you can email@example.com trends, report.
You’ll see a, a number of them there. Um, so we’ve got the latest one coming out, which I think will be quite in instructive as well too. But yeah, there’s, there’s always new things in the work on how the platform itself is, is changing. Um, so, uh, you know, hope to kind of, uh, encourage everyone to keep their eyes and ears open for, um,
some new things in the year.
Dane Reis: Yeah, very cool. , it is now time to move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightening round. Hi, I’m going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible one after another. Are you.
David Ciccarelli: I’m ready. Sounds slippery, but let’s do it.
Dane Reis: all right. First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career and building voices.com
David Ciccarelli: Um, I think the thing that holding almost anyone back and certainly me as well as is the fear of the unknown, um, call it the fear of failure. You know, we want to try something, but sometimes you just have to
take a leap of faith.
Dane Reis: um, second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received?
David Ciccarelli: The best piece of advice I ever received?
was follow the flags. If you look back in life over your history year to date, whether it’s your career, personal life, there’s probably a series of stakes in the ground flags. You look, and they all kind of form a line. If you will, maybe it’s a little scattered, but it forms a line and then you can look forward and extrapolate out and go hate is what I’m considering.
You’re contemplating next in alignment with my past. And so this notion of following the flags always
comes to mind.
Dane Reis: yeah, it kind of brings it back to the 10, 10, 10.
David Ciccarelli: Exactly. Yeah.
Dane Reis: Very cool. And the third question, what is something that is working for you? Right.
David Ciccarelli: what’s working for me Right.
now is actually reaching out to customers certainly at the onset of. Pandemic I called right away are and set up calls, video calls, which I had really done beforehand with our top 100 talent that were on the website. , and just trying to make sure that they’re well, their families well.
And so I think staying connected with your network is, , kind of as close to the one-on-one interactions that you can do, um, is something that’s working for me right now. It really helps you keep the pulse on. What’s important to the people that are the most.
Dane Reis: Yeah, love that fourth question. What is your best resource? Whether that’s a book, a movie, a YouTube video, maybe a podcast or a piece of technology you found is helping your career right now.
David Ciccarelli: Well, I’ve been kind of the, the, the business, , guest here in certainly businesses on top of my mind, a couple kind of quick books, I think are great. One. We talked about strategy earlier, so there’s a book called good strategy, bad strategy. , that has been really helpful with like, what is the difference in, you know, between kind of what makes up a great strategy.
And then if you want to kind of hear about that in practice and what more of a formula. For how to put a strategy together. It’s actually called playing to win. How strategy really works in both of those are excellent books. If you’re considering building out a business or an entrepreneurial venture, it’ll just give you some questions to think about as you, , navigate, , that,
Dane Reis: Very cool. And the fifth question, if you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected throughout your career, what would you do or not do? Would you do anything differently or would you keep it the same?
David Ciccarelli: I’d probably not take no for an answer. I think I’ve been told no a lot. I think we all have, you know, , that sense of rejection, but maybe discerning the difference where sometimes no means no… But sometimes it just means not right now, or there’s no room in the budget, or it’s not up to them. And so if you can discern, when is it a hard no? And when maybe it’s a soft known and there’s maybe another way that you could strategize, you can negotiate, you can, you know, engage or collaborate with that partner, whether it’s a customer or a business partner, maybe a financier. So I would, I would, um, reflect on those moments where you did feel maybe, uh, perhaps a little bit, let down, maybe you let up too soon.
And so a little bit more persistence perhaps in, in those moments. I I’d probably tell the younger self to
Dane Reis: . Love that. And the last question, what is the golden nugget knowledge drop you’ve learned from your successful career? You’d like to leave with our listeners.
David Ciccarelli: I hate, I hate to repeat here, but I think it was worth and, and, and, uh, bears doing so because we mentioned earlier and seemed to hit home, which was this notion around 10, 10, 10, evaluate your opportunities. Are going to be across , these three different time horizons of 10 minutes from now 10 months from now and 10 years from now, I think you’re going to recognize it yet.
We’re going to fail over and over again. We’re probably going to make some tough choices and maybe life’s going to teach us a couple invaluable lessons in and of itself, but hopefully that’ll serve as a mental model just to give you
pause, to make better choices in life.
Dane Reis: Yes, love that 10, 10, 10. And remember go back to the top of this interview and listen to that beginning so you can get all of that information. And to wrap up this interview, David, it is time to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? And is there anything you want to promote?
David Ciccarelli: Sure. Well, I think people could, you know, definitely connect with me on LinkedIn and it’s just, David’s Israeli. I’m also on Twitter by the same name. , and the best thing I think I would encourage if those listening are looking to maybe get into voice acting or want to explore some of the resources that we have on the website, which are completely free, whether they’re videos, podcasts, downloadable, eBooks, or guides, , just going to voices.com.
So. Really who we are and what we do and the destination to go all in one, a snippet there. So voices.com is really the best place to go to, to check out and learn more about the
company and maybe how we can work together.
Dane Reis: Brilliant. And for everyone listening out there, I’ve put the links to everything. David just said into the description of this episode. So you can easily connect with him and voices.com and also be sure to share this podcast with your fellow. Coaches teachers arts and entertainment educators, and anyone, you know, aspiring to create a career in the entertainment industry.
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David, thank you so much. It’s been such an honor and such a pleasure to have you on the show today
David Ciccarelli: Oh, the pleasure is mine. Thanks Dane.