Ian Ward

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EP 44: Ian Ward (autogenerated)

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[00:01:22] Let’s do this. Okay. Let’s get started. I am excited to introduce my guest today. Ian ward, are you ready for this? Ian? 

[00:01:32] Ian Ward: [00:01:32] I am Dan 

[00:01:34] Dane Reis: [00:01:34] right on. Ian is a sunny San Diego native now living in Las Vegas. He received the first outstanding young artist award from the San Diego critic circle and has had the pleasure of working in New York city at radio city music hall in Los Angeles at.

[00:01:50] LA Mirada theatre in American idiot and overseas in rock of ages on Norwegian cruise lines. Ian is also a songwriter, producer and guitarist. He dreams of one day playing his own music around the world and sharing his art with the masses. In that is a quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done, but why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself, fill in the gaps, who you are, and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry.

[00:02:21] Ian Ward: [00:02:21] Sure. Yeah. So, like I said, my name is moon ward, Brendan stool, and I am from San Diego. Um, I’m currently resided in so Cal and I’ve been bouncing between Hollywood and San Diego just to see family and, you know, take care of as much business as I can during these uncertain COVID times. But in the entertainment industry, I am a singer songwriter.

[00:02:44] Um, actor and producer, and I have been doing musical theater and singing since I was a child. Actually my first big professional starring role was, and I was nine years old. I was in all of her at the Starlight theater here in San Diego. And because of San Diego is fantastic theater community. And just the amount of opportunity that I was provided being here in Southern California and having supportive parents, I was able to.

[00:03:12] Pursue professional theater from a, from a really early age. And I spent many of my formative years doing shows around San Diego, doing TV work, like Veronica, Mars and Corey in the house. And some other shows and, and even getting to perform alongside the rock hats at the radio city music hall when I was a teenager.

[00:03:32] Um, and then as a high schooler, I started really diving into songwriting and guitar and performing. Live music at venues here in SD. And I was in a rock band called Celis. We played small venues around San Diego and we won a couple battle of the bands and that’s what really launched my passion for songwriting.

[00:03:52] And so now I’m a bachelor student at Berkeley college of music, and I’m learning more about the music industry and how to be a recording artist as well, because, uh, I have a lot of experience doing onstage acting and musical theater, but I really, my dream is to. Be a proficient songwriter and recording artists as well.

[00:04:10] So you’d be surprised how different it is from the training you get from just doing musical theater. You know, it’s, it’s, that’s, that’s sort of my, my current. Dream and path right now is to continue to do musical theater and on camera work, but also grow as a, as an artist and the other realms as well.

[00:04:26] Dane Reis: [00:04:26] Yeah. Fantastic. I you’re right. I ain’t have no clue what the recording world is like. Uh, but yeah, it’s glad that it’s a good thing that you have the opportunity right now to study that and learn that stuff. 

[00:04:39] Ian Ward: [00:04:39] Yeah. Yeah, it definitely is. It just makes you, it gives me more tools in my toolkit, you know, and, and yeah.

[00:04:46] And it can cross over between different realms within the arts too, which is, which is great. Everything kind of interconnects, you know? 

[00:04:54] Dane Reis: [00:04:54] Absolutely. Well, let’s move on to the next section here. And look, I am a sucker for a good quote. What is your favorite quote you’d like to share with everybody? 

[00:05:05] Ian Ward: [00:05:05] So this is a good question, cause I have a lot of different.

[00:05:08] Favorite spiritual teachers and, and, and sort of influential people. But I love a quote from Dolly Parton. She obviously is just a awesome singer song writer. And she said the way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain. And I thought that that’s a pretty good quote of just sort of how pleasure always is going to come with some suffering or some pain took to reach.

[00:05:38] Your goals, you have to put in the hard work. And, and, and so I just thought that quote was pretty relevant to not only the entertainment industry, but just life in general. 

[00:05:47] Dane Reis: [00:05:47] Absolutely. I totally agree. And I love that quote. I don’t believe I’ve ever heard that one. It’s so good. All right. Well, let’s move on to this next section.

[00:05:55] Yeah. And Ian, of course you are an entertainer. I am an entertainer and I think you’d agree. The entertainment industry is one of the most subjective. Brutally honest, personally, emotional industries, either of us know about, and you know, as well as I, that in order to create and to have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now, it takes a lot of dedication and hard work.

[00:06:22] And while, yeah, of course there is an outrageous amount of fun and excitement being an entertainer. There are also our fair share of obstacles, challenges, and failures. We are going to experience and we’re going to have to move forward through. So tell us, what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out the other side better because of it.

[00:06:46] So I 

[00:06:46] Ian Ward: [00:06:46] have a story and you’re very, you’re very right. You know, there’s, there’s a long process in this industry of learning to take rejection. And I think. That can be a massive obstacle. Um, I have an example of, I was around 11 years old and I had gotten an agent through doing my work in musical theater here in San Diego.

[00:07:09] And I had a huge opportunity to audition in front of Andrew Lloyd Webber in New York city for his, um, love, never dies a reincarnation of Phantom of the opera, and it was. A huge opportunity. And living in San Diego, we had to book a flight out there. And so I practiced and practiced the song and I had everything nailed down and we flew out there the day of, so we flew for five hours and I had that audition that, that afternoon.

[00:07:40] Um, and I went in and I was so nervous. And so shaken up by the idea of, I have to get this job. I have to book this job that. All of my preparation for the music and for the performance totally went out the window. I was more wrapped up in impressing Andrew Lloyd Webber than I was about doing the performance to the best of my ability and to what I had practiced and what I had prepared.

[00:08:06] And so that experience of just being devastated of how after I left room, I just knew that I didn’t give it my best because I was nervous because I was. And I was affected by the stakes of it all that I really beat myself up about that, but you know, the more I’ve been in the room and the more and more times, yeah.

[00:08:28] And those kinds of big moments come around and you prepare the more I’ve learned that it’s less about booking the job and more about being true to the character and true to the performance and true to the story that you’re trying to tell. And as long as you do that, you’ll never. Feel like you failed, you know, it’s it’s, you have to make that your intent and not the intent of trying to impress whoever’s in the room.

[00:08:53] And so like, like the more I’ve had these failures and rejections, the closer I get to be in more of a true artist, because it’s not about impressing it’s about, it’s about becoming, you know, 

[00:09:04] Dane Reis: [00:09:04] absolutely. And it’s definitely one of those things that is easier said than done, but practice and the repetition of doing it is really what makes you get to that point of just doing the work.

[00:09:17] And I think so often that we really do get caught up in the stakes of it all. And when we do that, what we’re really doing is putting all of our energy into things that are 100% out of our control. We can’t. Dictate or control if someone is going to like us or like our interpretation of anything, we just have to do it.

[00:09:39] And at the end of the day, that’s what they’re auditioning people for. That’s what they, what they have shown up to see. They want to see people bringing. Their creative, their creativity, their interpretations, their art to the table. Um, but like I said, easier said than done. It’s one of those things that has become a pretty common thing, talking to a lot of different entertainers on this podcast is that it’s about just being, you.

[00:10:03] And giving what you have to give. Cause like you said, you can leave the room then knowing you did your best. 

[00:10:10] Ian Ward: [00:10:10] Exactly. Yeah. So you, like you said, it is easier said than done, especially, especially when expectations get involved. I think having a big expectation of what some role or some opportunity could do for your career and your self interest can also create higher stakes.

[00:10:30] You know what I mean? It’s a really, really strain and that’s just life in general. It’s a really strange learning experience of being alive of, of realizing the more expectation I put on someone, the more I’m building myself up for a let down, and I’m not focusing on the important things, which is doing your best at what you do rather than expecting.

[00:10:56] Something to come from it, you know, um, it’s just a learning process. It really is. Like you said, the more you do it, the more you figure that out. And some people do get quick fixes. Some people do end up going into impress and it, and it, and it, and it happens for them and they have amazing careers because of that.

[00:11:13] But I think over time, longevity is given to people that. Have their, their sense of centeredness within themselves rather than within whatever’s in the current, like politics of the industry. 

[00:11:30] Dane Reis: [00:11:30] Absolutely. Yeah. I could not agree more with that. Well, let’s move on to the next section to a time that I like to call your spotlight moment.

[00:11:40] That one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be an engineer living or maybe it was yes. This is what I need to be doing as an entertainer. Tell us about that. 

[00:11:54] Ian Ward: [00:11:54] So my spotlight moment honestly came really, really young and it’s like what I said before. I was booked in all over at Starlight theater.

[00:12:03] And at the time Starlight theater was the premier open air amphitheater in Southern California. It seats about 3000 people and it was a massive subscription-based theater company that put on really good productions. And my mom. Recommended that I audition. And next thing you know, I’ve booked all of her.

[00:12:22] I was playing the lead as a nine year old in this, in this big production that was going to last a month and it got a lot of news press. And so we did a lot of TV, um, stuff and interviews and, and, and I just basically got swept up into this world. I had no idea even existed. Um, and so that’s, that was my spotlight moment.

[00:12:42] You know, where I realized not only did I have a talent. For theater, but also that it felt, it felt good and it felt like it was spilling my, my purpose or my soul. So that’s when I realized. Whether it’s going to be exclusively musical theater. I do. I want to be a stage performer. You know, I want to be someone that performs on stage and that’s, that was the moment that I knew that when I walked out the first night of Oliver and it was sold out and the sun was setting and there was 3000 people already for a night of entertainment.

[00:13:16] And what we had created was going to be that night of entertainment. It just felt like important. And it, and I was at the center of it. And so I knew that that was what I had to do. 

[00:13:25] Dane Reis: [00:13:25] Absolutely. I love that story. And I want to piggyback on that and let’s talk about your number one, booked it moment. Walk us through that day, the auditions and call backs.

[00:13:36] If they happen to be a part of it, what was going on in your life? And what about that moment? Makes it your favorite it moment? 

[00:13:45] Ian Ward: [00:13:45] So, so far my number one booked it moment would have to be when I booked my role. On Broadway and getting the band back together. Um, I was doing, I was doing a show with you, Dane.

[00:13:57] I was doing in Las Vegas and I got a self-tape opportunity to be a swing for a hilarious rock and roll musical that they were, that they were creating. And I read the sides for the role and I would be covering. A different myriad of different roles and, and all really, really funny characters. I remember reading them to myself and just cracking up cause they had an almost family guy, comedy quality to them that, that peaked my interest, especially for Broadway because it’s, it’s something that’s not seen a lot, you know, um, this kind of vulgar.

[00:14:31] Comedy rock and roll kind of musical. And I also got to rap and play guitar. Are what’s your other two things I love to do? So it seemed like it was meant to be so anyways, they called me after my self-tape went well. They called me up to New York city for a call back. And I had to take a couple of shows off from Baz and fly out to New York city.

[00:14:49] And I arrived with my guitar and my sides and my headshot and I was ready to go. And I arrived at the call back and there were about 30 other guys there for the same part. And we all went in at the same, all went in one at a time, different, uh, different one at a time auditions. And I played a Kansas song called Icarus on guitar, and I did the scenes and the rap.

[00:15:09] And by the end of it, I had the whole team cracking up and laughing and they narrowed it down to me and two other guys and they had a dance call and we did this short little dance, and then they let us all go. And so up to that point, I was like, wow, it’s going really well. But between me and the other two guys, I was blown.

[00:15:30] The other two guys were dark hair. I knew, I knew that they were going for a Jewish, a Jewish boy, because the main character that I would be covering was named Ricky blang this Jewish rapper kid. And so, you know, I left in the end. From all of my experience doing this, I just kind of let it go. As I left the room and was walking to a Starbucks, calling my friends and my agents to let them know what happened.

[00:15:51] The next thing I know, my agent calls me and says, how far are you? We need you to run back directly, back to the casting place right now. And so I, so I sprinted back and they said they want to see us dance again. And so it was me and the two guys again. And this time the choreographer was in front of us and it just so happened.

[00:16:09] Fate would have it, that the choreographer is a guy I worked with 10 years prior in a workshop called leap of faith and his name’s Chris Bailey. And he’s a, he’s a great guy. And anyways, long story short, I got the role and I. Got to have my Broadway debut directly after Baz was ending, I got to do a swing opportunity in this awesome new Broadway show and, and, and have that experience.

[00:16:40] And it was an, it was an amazing time, you know, and, and it got me a credit that I’m proud of. And I got to have that life experience that I’m proud of also. So it was just, that was my number one, booked it moment. The way everything kind of came together. 

[00:16:52] Dane Reis: [00:16:52] I love that. That’s so good. It’s such a good story.

[00:16:55] Thanks. So let’s take a moment to talk about the present. What projects are you working on now? What are you looking forward to? And of course, look, we are amidst this global pandemic. How do you see the entertainment industry moving forward in the next couple of years? So 

[00:17:11] Ian Ward: [00:17:11] I was current. I was working on rock of ages, Hollywood, which was a reincarnation of they’re doing off-Broadway rock of ages and they decided to take it to an immersive bar experience on Hollywood Boulevard.

[00:17:24] And I was cast as drew the lead, the lead in the show with alongside, uh, Calandra Olivia as Sherry. And we were doing that up until March 8th, when the COVID. Breakout forced us to close. And so since then I’ve been taking my classes at Berkeley college of music because I’m currently building towards, uh, starting an entertainment company called outward original, and we’re going to produce and create my own works, but also manage and exploit.

[00:17:56] Right for my own work, but also for other artists and hopefully eventually teach other artists and, and help manage other artists. I’m going to start by managing myself and I’m just trying to create this entertainment company. So everything that’s been slowing down has actually been sort of a blessing for me too.

[00:18:13] Take a step back and focus more on my own work rather than then performing in other people’s stuff, you know? Um, so that’s been nice as far as the entertainment industry moving forward in the next couple of years, I can honestly see. The live streaming and the online experience really, really growing even more than it already has and taking almost an exponential growth as far as podcasts and, and bedroom studio productions and live performances coming out of your homes and all of that sort of stuff.

[00:18:45] I think more and more. Artists are going to have to be Renaissance people. They’re going to have to know technology. You have to know business, have to know how to write stories and also, and also be personable people. And, and you know, the more education and knowledge that artists have is going to be, what’s going to make them succeed.

[00:19:03] I think, in the next few years. And I’d like to, you’re doing Dane you’re. You’re you have a zoo, you have a zoom call going where you’re having to manage a bunch of different technology and podcasting and all of these different things, as well as being an actor and a singer and an artist and a father.

[00:19:18] And I think that’s, what’s going to be the future. Is, is people having to handle juggle a ton of things? Well, you know, 

[00:19:25] Dane Reis: [00:19:25] yeah, I totally agree. And I mean, it’s already kind of happening. You see how popular Instagram is, for instance, how it really has taken over as. You’re running resume. It’s what people want to refer to now in auditions.

[00:19:39] And when you’re submitting for things, they want to check up and see what you got going on in your life. And because of that, we have, I think, more than any other time in history, we are also now our own PR teams and our marketing teams and us as entertainers and professionals in this industry have to really start transitioning our mindsets to the idea that we have to be.

[00:20:03] More entrepreneurial. We have to be more like marketers and plugging our stuff because there’s really no one else that’s going to do it for you. You know, unless you, for some reason, have the cashflow to hire a professional PR team. 

[00:20:15] Ian Ward: [00:20:15] Exactly. Exactly. And it’s going to become more and more critical that artists understand their role in society.

[00:20:22] You know, it’s, I think a lot of artists blindly follow. The path that’s been, been traveling for them. You know, a lot of people say I want to be an actor. And so I’m going to get an agent and then I’ll audition and then I’ll get hired by a producer. Who’s got a script and they’ve got the money and then I’m going to become basically a, a work for hire kind of artists.

[00:20:45] Whereas I honestly think artists are going to have to start to think, what do I want. To give to society. As far as art, what lessons do I want to teach? What mediums am I comfortable with? And am I strong in and how do I create my own stuff and exploit my own product, you know, instead of relying on, on.

[00:21:05] The way that things have always been done, because there’s going to be more and more change and more and more entrepreneurial, uh, necessity. I think. So it’s going to be important for people to understand what their skills are and how they can best serve society with those skills rather than focusing on getting the job, the next job, 

[00:21:24] Dane Reis: [00:21:24] for sure.

[00:21:25] For sure. Yeah. Thank you for your insight. I love that. 

[00:21:28] Yeah. 

[00:21:28] Ian Ward: [00:21:28] Yeah. Thank you. 

[00:21:30] Dane Reis: [00:21:30] And now it is time to move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightning round. I’m going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible one after another.

[00:21:45] Are you ready? Yes. All right. First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career as an entertainer? 

[00:21:55] Ian Ward: [00:21:55] Fear of financial or social instability. Great. 

[00:22:00] Dane Reis: [00:22:00] Second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received? 

[00:22:06] Ian Ward: [00:22:06] My grandmother told me to be true to myself because at the end of her life, that was all that she thought really mattered was knowing yourself and being true to yourself.

[00:22:18] Dane Reis: [00:22:18] I love that piece of advice. And the third question, what is something that is working for you right now? Or if you’d like to go pre COVID, what was working for you before our industry went on pause? 

[00:22:31] Ian Ward: [00:22:31] So lately I’ve been ingesting and sucking up as much knowledge and, and information as possible on, like I said, I’m a student at Berkeley.

[00:22:40] And so I have found that I’ve honestly found that learning about topics. Makes you think more about them and makes you feel empowered because once you have knowledge, you feel more powerful to attempt to make things happen in that topic. So, yeah, I think learning as much about the business and as much about the arts as possible has made me feel more empowered and not as scared or uncertain, equipping myself with the tools and knowledge necessary to be able to act and create is a formula that’s been working for me.

[00:23:12] Dispelling fear with knowledge. 

[00:23:14] Dane Reis: [00:23:14] I love it. I love it. And the fourth question, what is the best resource? Whether that’s a book, a movie, a YouTube video, a podcast, maybe a piece of technology that you found is helping your career right 

[00:23:27] Ian Ward: [00:23:27] now. So I’m finding the most profound and enlightening guidance that I’ve gotten recently is coming from this book called a course in miracles.

[00:23:36] And it’s, it’s, it’s not a book on the industry, but it’s a, it’s a deep text on, on spirituality and purpose and meaning. Um, and I highly recommended it goes, it goes in depth about it has a daily workbook to release stress and promote forgiveness. And it also, I think the people in our industry have. They have to have such resilience and dedication and patience that mental health and spirituality is about most importance for people in our industry.

[00:24:06] And if you’re not secure grounded, you just can’t survive. So I think that with all that uncertainty, it’s important to have your spiritual groundedness. And that of course in miracles has really been helping me during these uncertain times. 

[00:24:18] Dane Reis: [00:24:18] Fantastic. I’ve not heard of that book. I’m going to have to pick it up and thank you for sharing that.

[00:24:23] Yeah. And the fifth question, if you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge you’ve collected from your career in this industry, what would you do or not do? Would you do anything different or would you keep it the same? 

[00:24:40] Ian Ward: [00:24:40] No, I would probably move to LA or New York a lot sooner.

[00:24:46] I do. That’s a hard question because then I would’ve sacrificed my childhood and my upbringing. As just a normal mortal Mughal, you know what I mean? If I could change anything, it would be to start educating myself sooner on the business aspects of the industry, how to find a manager, how to build a web, build a fan base.

[00:25:05] And I’m still, I’m still learning about how to do that. And I think if I would have started at a younger age and not been so focused on how to get success, In the, in the sense of how to get fame or how to get money, if I would have focused more on how to build a strong business at a younger age, I think further along now.

[00:25:22] And so that’s okay. Yeah. I spent many years thinking that with the help of my agent work would just land in my lap and for the most part it did. Um, however, I, I think I could have been much more progressive and yeah, and routinely motivated if I had just known what to actually do. And if I had the knowledge and tools of the complexities of the industry from an early age, it would have jump-started that for me.

[00:25:47] But then again, nothing beats experience and years of actually rehearsing and performing on stage, nothing beats that experience because it builds trust in yourself. And so if I could change anything, it’d be more education, but I’m pretty happy with the place I’m in now. I love that. And 

[00:26:04] Dane Reis: [00:26:04] I love that you brought up the business side of things because at the end of the day, this is called show business, right?

[00:26:11] And so often we only want to really do the fun stuff, the creative stuff, the art stuff, because that’s how most of our brains are really wired to work. But the business side of things is a necessary aspect of this industry that you have to kind of wrap your head around and get to know. So you can. Have a long career, because I’ve said it in multiple things that, you know, it’s one thing to book your first contract, but it’s a completely different thing to book a career’s worth of contracts.

[00:26:41] And having that business side is very key to creating that long career 

[00:26:48] Ian Ward: [00:26:48] totally. And, and making it fun, you know, making the business side of things, creative and fun, like. Like you’re doing where you, you think about what you like to do creatively and artistically, and then how can that service others? And then you have a business.

[00:27:03] You just have to think about, about others as well. You know, I can myself get very wrapped up in writing a song and, and, and tweaking different audio engineering things on my production. And at the end of the day, it’s, it’s more about. What is this giving to others? Is this teaching people something? Is it telling a story?

[00:27:22] Is it helping them in a certain way emotionally? And that’s where the business side comes in because people want to spend money on, on stuff like that. That’s why the business works. That’s why arts is a business because it provides value to people’s lives. And then the more you can learn about how to get that value to the people, then the more value you’re providing.

[00:27:43] So, um, So I think it’s, it’s not something to be feared. A lot of times people think business is as antithetical to, to art. And I disagree. I think, I think you can make business and arts as well, you know? 

[00:27:58] Dane Reis: [00:27:58] Absolutely. And they both feed off of each other. 

[00:28:01] Ian Ward: [00:28:01] Yeah, exactly. Zachary 

[00:28:03] Dane Reis: [00:28:03] wonderful. And for the last question, what is the golden nugget knowledge drop you’ve learned from your successful career in the industry that you’d like to leave with our listeners?

[00:28:15] Ian Ward: [00:28:15] I would just say, you have to understand your strengths and your weaknesses from as early an age as possible, because this helps you craft your niche of where to focus your education. It helps you, it helps give you respect and perspective for other parts of the industry that you might not appreciate.

[00:28:38] And it also helps you appreciate the gifts that you were given and understand how to fulfill that. Deep desire in your hearts by using the talents that you were given. And it helps you know, what to learn and what to improve on as well. I just think you need to try everything you can from an early age and realize what you’re good at and what you’re and what you’re not good at.

[00:29:01] And that, and that, and from a, from a very purely nonjudgmental place, just understanding where your desires and your talents align and how that can service the rest of. Society and the business, and then you are off and running, then you know what to focus your energy on what to maybe shelve or hire other people to help you with.

[00:29:21] And, and, and, you know, my desire from an early age was to perform. And then I knew that that’s what I was talented at. So that’s why I went into it. And I think that anyone that has a desire to do something should make sure that they have the talent, or at least the ability to learn more about it and understand their strengths, you know, 

[00:29:40] Dane Reis: [00:29:40] Absolutely.

[00:29:40] I think that’s incredible advice for everybody listening. And to wrap up this interview, it is time to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? Is there anything you want to promote? 

[00:29:55] Ian Ward: [00:29:55] Thanks, Dane. Uh, I would just say check out my website, Ian ward, outward.com or my socials.

[00:30:01] Ian ward outward. And sign up for my newsletter on my website. I’ve got a lot of exciting things coming up. I have a music video I’m dropping in a couple of weeks and I also have a, a new protest song coming out. That’ll that’ll come out at the end of July. So I’ve got some new works coming and also I hope to be back on stage in Hollywood in rock of ages.

[00:30:20] So please follow along on my page and look forward to connecting with you guys. 

[00:30:23] Dane Reis: [00:30:23] Brilliant, Ian, thank you so much for joining me today. It has been fantastic to have you. 

[00:30:30] Ian Ward: [00:30:30] Thank you so much again for having me. It’s been a blast. 

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