EP 8: Ron Remke

IG: @ronremke

Broadway Classics Album on Apple Music

Interview Transcript (autogenerated)

Ron Remke

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[00:01:22] Let’s do this. All right. Let’s get started. I am excited to introduce my guest today, Ron.  Ron, are you ready for this obstinate? Thanks. 

[00:01:34] Ron: [00:01:34] So I hope so. 

[00:01:35] Dane: [00:01:35] Let’s do it. All right. Well, Ron was last seen on the Las Vegas strip in cocktail cabaret in the historic Cleopatra’s barge at Caesar’s palace. You recently completed a two year run of Baz.

[00:01:49] Star-crossed love at the Palazzo theater, and you may have also seen him. In the final cast of the iconic Don Arden’s Jubilee. He is a frequent soloist with symphonies throughout North America, including the Cleveland orchestra, Indianapolis symphony orchestra, Naples Philharmonic national arts center, orchestra, Baltimore symphony, Oklahoma city Philharmonic, Vancouver symphony orchestra, and Fort worth symphony.

[00:02:17] Among others. Ron has also visited over 70 countries. That’s seven zero the countries while singing aboard silver seas and Regent seven seas cruise lines. Ron has performed in a multitude of regional theaters across the United States. He holds a BFA in musical theater from Penn state and his debut album entitled Broadway classics.

[00:02:39] It’s available on Apple music. Wrong. That is a quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done, but why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself? Fill in the gaps, who you are, where you’re from. We are currently calling home and a little bit about what you do specifically as a professional in this industry.

[00:03:00] Ron: [00:03:00] Wow. That was a, that was quite, quite the intro. It sounds very, very, rational. Doesn’t it? Yeah. I, I am, let’s see, I currently live in Las Vegas and, I am, I had started off in musical theater. My degree is in musical theater and as my career kind of moved on, I, sort of moved into the, you know, I don’t really know if there’s a word for this, but I call it.

[00:03:24]I moved into the, you know, the production singer route for different shows and, what better city then Las Vegas is there for that. So that’s kind of my wife and I moved out here to be in Jubilee. And, I’ve been doing that ever since. That was about, about five years ago. So, yeah, musical theater was kind of my start.

[00:03:44] That was a gateway drug. And then, I was in New York for that 11 years. And then when we came out here, That’s fantastic. Yeah. So that’s where we’re, that’s what we’re, we’re knocking around these 

[00:03:55] Dane: [00:03:55] days. Perfect. All right. Well, let’s move on to the next section and look, I’m a sucker for a good quote. So what is your favorite quote you’d like to share with our listeners?

[00:04:07] Ron: [00:04:07] That’s one. Okay. Okay. I actually thought about this for a second. You know, my favorite quote that I still think of to this day came from a dance teacher when I was in college and she, she looked and she basically looked straight at me. She said, Ron, listened to your instincts and then do the opposite.

[00:04:26] And I still think about that to this day. And I think about how often we as performers, you know, need to be told. So listen to your instincts and then do the complete opposite. And it’s just, it cracks me up still to this day. And yes, I have had days training. It doesn’t always show. 

[00:04:43] Dane: [00:04:43] Yeah. But you know, I think there’s a lot to be said about that because I think by default, we all want to do the same thing.

[00:04:51] Right. And bye adhering to that quote. I guess what you do is you force yourself to do something that okay. Probably really didn’t want to do naturally. Right? 

[00:05:02] Ron: [00:05:02] Oh yeah. And that’s, I mean, I think that’s the point of a really good teacher is a good teacher. Can, can look at you and say, I know what you’re thinking.

[00:05:10] I know what you want it to look like, but trust me, you’re not succeeding. Here’s how to fix it. 

[00:05:19] Dane: [00:05:19] Absolutely. 

[00:05:20] Ron: [00:05:20] Yeah. Yeah. Spend sport 

[00:05:25] Dane: [00:05:25] beautiful. And. How would you say you’ve applied that quote then to your daily life or your career? 

[00:05:32] Ron: [00:05:32] Yeah, you know, it’s funny in my career because you know, I’ve been doing this now professionally.

[00:05:38] Well, I graduated college almost 20 years ago, and I think that your growth as a performer is never over, you know, you can be doing the same show for years. If you don’t leave that stage, learning something new every night then and challenging yourself. then, then you really, you know, then you need to reevaluate yourself because that’s, as a performer, you have to be constantly, looking at yourself and you have to constantly be thinking, how can I do this better?

[00:06:09] And part of that is. Thinking, you know, outside the box and thinking, okay, if this feels right to me, is it right? And is that what the audience is perceiving because what you want to do and what does being perceived are sometimes very, very different things. And so, yeah. Being able to, as a performer, just being able to step outside of yourself and, you know, be open to criticism, which is really hard.

[00:06:35] Yeah. That’s, that’s what kind of reminds me to do is just always be open. We’re not always successful at that, but, but that’s the idea anyway. 

[00:06:44] Dane: [00:06:44] Yeah, of course. I mean, it’s hard. It’s hard to, you know, let the ego go. Sometimes I think we can all relate to being in a cleaning rehearsal and I don’t think I’ve ever been to a cleaning rehearsal where anyone is thrilled to be there.

[00:06:58] No, it’s tedious. It’s hard. It’s yeah. It’s really about needing to, like you said, let go and listen to the director or the choreographer, whoever it is, that’s doing the cleaning, because it really is about how you’re perceived versus how you feel, because for sure we’re doing this for an audience, right.

[00:07:21] Ron: [00:07:21] Yeah. And you know, the, I can track, I can track back some of my biggest failings as a performer when I have just stopped listening. And that’s, it’s hard though, because as a performer, part of what makes you good at your job is you just, you know, you, you are somebody who can stand in front of a lot of people and be very vulnerable.

[00:07:40] And so there’s an element. Okay. Ego that’s that, that that’s involved with that on the other hand, you know, when you’ve got a bunch of show ponies on stage, it’s hard for choreographers and directors and things like that to corral them into, into a cohesive unit or two. Okay. And, you know, I think that also, when I think about my career at the times, I’ve not been successful with understanding that.

[00:08:09] Directors and choreographers and things like that. They also have things that they need to do. It’s not always about you. And I think that’s hard as a performer. You know, sometimes we, we forget that we’re not the beginning, middle and end of the show. , we’re a part of it. And so, I th it is, it’s always important for me.

[00:08:28] I think that everybody, just to remember that, okay. You have to be incredibly vulnerable, but yet incredibly self assured at the exact same time. and while that’s kind of impossible to do, that’s what you should always be striving to do. And you know, you’ll air on one side to the other. Okay. But, yeah, that’s what I always know.

[00:08:46] Nobody wants to be. The cleaning rehearsal is nobody wants to, nobody wants to be told what they’re doing looks bad 

[00:08:53] Dane: [00:08:53] and I can really, and I can really relate to. Having my eyes opened to the bigger picture. Obviously, when we’re doing shows, we know there’s so many people involved in these things, but it’s very easy to get into our scene or into our roles or the track that you’re doing.

[00:09:09] But I remember the first time I ever called a show as a stage manager, it blew my mind that whole process of learning how to call the show because you realize. How many elements really go into the show. And when the choreographer says, no, you got to go over here. They’re not just saying that because it looks better.

[00:09:28] It’s because of so many different factors, it’s a moving light. It’s, it’s so many different things and it’s an as a performer, it’s usually not our jobs to even be looped in on that so much. But yeah,  the choreographers and the directors to really present. What you’re supposed to do and try to help you out doing that without trying to get into the nitty gritty of it, the technicalities of why we’re doing this.

[00:09:52] Ron: [00:09:52] Oh yeah. And that’s the thing there’s so many moving parts that how could you, you know, when you’re learning a show or you’re putting a show up, you know, you’re trying to remember your choreography, you remember your lyrics to Rhonda, you know, you could be doing, learning, doing a put in with somebody and you literally just met that day and you’re doing a show that, and I mean, there’s so many variables going on.

[00:10:11] And, you know, but there’s also just, honestly, there’s also choreographers and directors and people who don’t always have the most altruistic, you know, vision. And sometimes there are people who are, you know, the theaters are a weird place. And, I think it’s important to just protect yourself, you know, on the other hand of that.

[00:10:31] So you have to always have that eye of the tiger it’s okay.  honestly, it’s a duality that. Is really hard to explain and it’s hard to, to live through because just as you said, there are so many variables that it’s impossible to, to do all of them perfectly all the time. Okay. But that’s, that’s the gig, right?

[00:10:53] That’s the gig trying to figure out how to do that. So, 

[00:10:57] Dane: [00:10:57] yeah. I agree. I agree. I absolutely think that there is. It is almost impossible. Like you said, to explain that feeling to people or what they’re supposed to do, and until you really get in there and do it. But I think the valuable part from that is, and what people can take away from that is simply knowing that that duality exists, going into something, if you’re new to a show, if you’re new to this industry, no, that those elements exist.

[00:11:24] You don’t need to wrap your head around them, but be prepared to deal with them because you’re going to have 

[00:11:29] Ron: [00:11:29] to. Yeah. And I think also doing your best to have something else going on in your life so that, you know, if you hinge your entire life on. Work, it can be a really depressing and it can be really aggravating and it can be really, I find this to be true, especially in situations where if I’m on the road or if I’m very isolated and you know, you don’t have a home life, really, you have a hotel or a cabin or something.

[00:11:59] All right. And you kind of get a little bit myopic and your vision and you just sort of only think about the show. And I think that’s, that can be dangerous. So it’s important to always have. That’s something else going on, so you can just turn it off. It’s look, it’s, it’s singing and dancing. It’s important.

[00:12:16] It’s very important. But at the same time, other things are important too. So I think it’s important to just kind of get yourself a reality check every once in a longterm. 

[00:12:24] Dane: [00:12:24] Yeah. To keep perspective. 

[00:12:25] Ron: [00:12:25] Yeah. 

[00:12:26] Dane: [00:12:26] Great. Well, let’s move on to the next section now. So Ron, you’re an entertainer, obviously I am an entertainer and I think you’d agree that the entertainment industry is one of the most subjective, brutally, honest, personally emotional industries.

[00:12:43] In existence and do, you know, as well as I, that in order to create and have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now excellent. A lot of dedication and hard work. And while there is an outrageous amount of fun and excitement to be had as an entertainer, there’s also, you know, that’s fair share.

[00:13:05] Of obstacles and challenges and failures that we will inevitably experience and we have to move forward through. So tell us, what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out the other side better because of it. 

[00:13:24] Ron: [00:13:24] Cool. I mean, I could write a book on it.

[00:13:27] I think, I think this career. Yeah, I, yeah, I think this career is, You know, I think people see this career, the wrong side up, you know, we think of this career maybe as a, well, let me just describe it. So if you think of like a pyramid, right? Can you think of Hmm. The top of it that’s showing as the applause and the fun stuff and all that wonderful thing.

[00:13:51] Great. But we forget about. The foundation that is built on. And very often foundations are just as tall are just as big as the actual building that they’re built on. And, every there’s sort of like there’s, there’s, there’s three parts of any gig. I think if you can get paid well, Do what you love. Okay.

[00:14:11] And to find it artistically fulfilling, like that’s the, that’s like the trifecta of any job. And to tell you the number of times that’s actually happened in my life is probably, I don’t know, a handful. I’ve probably done hundreds of jobs. I would say maybe five. I’ve actually been all three of them at once.

[00:14:31] And I think that just speak in broad terms about the disappointments. Okay. The problem is, as we sell this career to young kids, especially the opposite way, this career is about the work and disappointments. Occasionally you get a wonderful moment, but if you’re not in love with the work, and if you’re not in love with frankly, the disappointments and the difficulties, then this career will be really shockingly yeah.

[00:15:00] Difficult, especially initially. And that’s not, I’m not saying that to be. I don’t know. I don’t want it to be, it sounds like I’m be negative about it because look, I chose, I still choose to be a part of this career, but I think that we need to be honest about what it is. This career’s on the only career that’s like this lots of careers are like this, you know, because people, when they see me sing a song for three minutes in front of her symphony orchestra, they think that’s my career.

[00:15:31] They don’t realize that that three minutes took. 20 years of experience, plus, you know, took an overnight slight and, you know, a week in a hotel and missing, you know, every wedding I’ve ever been invited to and, you know, funerals too. There’s a lot of pain that goes along with this career, but it is worth it.

[00:15:55] At least it is for me for now. and, But I can think of a specific, I remember specifically I was in New York and this was many years ago and I had auditioned for production, beauty and the beast maybe. And I got through, Oh, well, that’s a good, I’ll tell you a different story. Actually, I had just come off of them, of the cruise ship and I had, was auditioning for a new Broadway show and, the new Broadway show was coming out.

[00:16:20] They had not opened yet. And so they looking for a male swing. Okay. And I remember going through the final audition, singing and dancing and just, you know, getting the very, very, very, very end. And the director and choreographer pulled me aside afterwards. And, I was broke, man. I was, that was New York broke, man.

[00:16:43] I had nothing going on. They pulled me aside and they said, listen, We really like you. Okay. And when an understudy for the lead comes up, we’re going to call you. But right now you don’t sure. I remember walking out 42nd street, turning the corner up eighth Avenue and just breaking down. And it was so, so depressing and so upsetting because I had nothing at that point.

[00:17:11] And finally, I had this career dangled in front of me with this show and, you know, the show is still running and years later and. And I didn’t get it. I didn’t book it. Okay. And I remember I went to, I called, I got a call on and did a cruise. I went out to do a cruise ship weeks later, but, I remember I couldn’t even call him mom, couldn’t it?

[00:17:28] You know, it was just a horribly depressing situation. And, and I remember thinking what was so that about it was, I felt embarrassed, but I didn’t book it. Right. And I felt really like, I’d let people down. And I think that, that was the thing about this career that surprised me. . When you don’t, when you’re not successful, you know, if you have a bad performance or you don’t do something well, it’s this feeling of letting people down, whether it be an audience colleagues, your family.

[00:18:00] Yeah. And it’s also because you’re supported. In his career, you know, it’s, it’s very difficult to be a performer and not have support from other people, whether it be financial, emotional, you name it. And so I still remember that time. And, it’s hard. It’s heartbreaking, you know, most people do five or six jobs in their entire life, but at least performers.

[00:18:25] Constantly looking for new work and your work and new work. And, and, what people don’t realize is sometimes getting a job is like winning the lottery to us because the other option is like, you know, passing out flyers or, you know, 

[00:18:39] Dane: [00:18:39] is weird 

[00:18:42] Ron: [00:18:42] show one day too, you know, cleaning up dirty dishes, then next.

[00:18:49] Yeah, another quick story. I was taking a final bow in front of the Cleveland orchestra, which is probably one of the best orchestras in the world. It’s in front of 15,000 people. I was taking a final bow, extra bra, you know, it was me and two Broadway celebrities. And I looked down the bottom of my pants had, I guess, little piece of scrap of food on it because I was catering earlier that week.

[00:19:15] Dane: [00:19:15] Oh man. 

[00:19:16] Ron: [00:19:16] I mean, that’s the reality of, of this business and that’s the kind of thing that, that I think we as performers, you know, sort of have to acknowledge and, and be okay with, for heaven sakes, you know? 

[00:19:30] Dane: [00:19:30] Yeah. And is that kind of what you, is that where you’re going with as far as where you’ve learned from these failures is that.

[00:19:38] You do what you need to do or, I mean, you gotta,

[00:19:42] Ron: [00:19:42] yeah, you gotta do what you have to do and understand that, you know, It’s kind of like being in an abusive relationship with this career. You don’t know what I mean. It’s just weird. It just, it can beat you up, but when it’s nice, it is yep. Best in the world.

[00:20:00] Nothing beats it. Right. And so you have to somehow learn how to deal with those disappointments and you have to learn how to Moria. I remember when I was in New York as well, we would get up. We were just, all, all of us were just broke and. If we got anything, I mean, anything, if you got a call back, we would celebrate with a really cheap bottle of champagne.

[00:20:25] Like all my roommates and friends, because we just had to start celebrating, like even hit it, book it, you got a call back. That was a celebration. You just find the little things to celebrate 

[00:20:34] Dane: [00:20:34] because 

[00:20:36] Ron: [00:20:36] yeah. And, and I think the other thing is, is also learning what you can and can’t control, you know, with that audition that I didn’t book that had nothing to do with me.

[00:20:46] That had nothing to do with me. Sometimes it has a lot to do with me. Sometimes I’m just rubbish, but other times it has nothing to do with you. It just has something to do with the situation and learning how to differentiate between. I can do better. I need to do better. I wasn’t prepared. Yeah. You know what.

[00:21:05] My hair is Brown and they didn’t like it. 

[00:21:09] Dane: [00:21:09] Right. Cause it really gets that subjective, you know? 

[00:21:12] Ron: [00:21:12] Oh my gosh. Yeah. But you know what, sometimes it is your fault. Sometimes you don’t, 

[00:21:17] Dane: [00:21:17] you’re 

[00:21:17] Ron: [00:21:17] just not very, 

[00:21:20] Dane: [00:21:20] absolutely. We all have bad auditions have a bad night on the stage. It’s the inevitability of doing things over and over again.

[00:21:28] Ron: [00:21:28] Oh, for sure. For sure. All 

[00:21:31] Dane: [00:21:31] right. Well, let’s move on to the next question. And this is the section that I like to call your spotlight moment. This is the moment in time that you realized, yes, I’m going to be an entertainer for a living or yes, this is what I need to be doing as an entertainer. Tell us about that.

[00:21:50] Ron: [00:21:50] Ah, so I guess I can do very quick. W there was a moment. Okay. Okay. Well, when I, when I finally, I think felt the real, the moment of, yes, this is what I can do. I was singing gets Semini in front of the national art center orchestra, which is for the national Canadian orchestra in Ottawa. And I had a a hundred piece choir behind me.

[00:22:19] I had a full symphony orchestra and I just finished probably one of the most challenging songs in musical theater rep. And it went really, really well. And I got a standing ovation and the curtain call and I, no, I was in my mid thirties when this happened and I had to reform a lot before that, but this was the first time I remember actually thinking I need to be doing this.

[00:22:41] None of that sounds like a silly thing to say, but every day is a performer. You wake up and you think this might be the last day I do this career because it’s hard. But I remember after that moment, . No, this is important and this is something I should be doing. And, it was a very humbling experience and it was very okay.

[00:23:01] Powerful experience. But that was the one time I can still, I can still harking back and think about and go, yup. This is what I need to be doing. Okay. I mean, but I got into performing kind of in a weird way. I went, I was going to go to school for engineering. And I got accepted to Penn state. Okay.

[00:23:22] Engineering and musical theater. And for Penn state called me and said, you have to decide what you’re 

[00:23:27] Dane: [00:23:27] doing. These are two really big majors. So 

[00:23:30] Ron: [00:23:30] yeah. So let us know what you want to do. So I kind of tiptoed into this. I didn’t, I did not like come out at like eight years old and go, I’m going to be a performer.

[00:23:39] I was sort of not that kid. I was right. I did it, but I wasn’t really, you know, I didn’t, let’s see my first Broadway musical in channel 16. So, so I, you know, I kind of, I gradually grew into this career and evolved slowly and just kept, you know, trying to get better every year, every year, every year. And so I didn’t have that moment as an eight year old bed.

[00:24:04] Some people have, I, you know, I wish I would have, I would have probably been better sooner. How’s that? No, I didn’t. I was just playing baseball. Definitely. Yeah. So, 

[00:24:16] Dane: [00:24:16] but you know, we all have our journeys and it is what it is and we, we make, I mean, you’ve made an incredible career out of this, like from this industry.

[00:24:24] So there’s nothing to be worried about or complaining about, I think. 

[00:24:30] Ron: [00:24:30] Yeah, it’s definitely, I’m. I have had some incredibly fortunate the situations okay. That I have somehow been around the right people the right time. And, I’ll be the first submit. There are people who can sing circles around me.

[00:24:46] And so I’m very fortunate. Yeah. To have been able to make a living a comfortable living, I’m doing this and I’ve also been supported by bye. Okay. Okay. Supportive friends and family. I don’t think I could have done it without, without that. Okay. And I never had parents who, who looked at me and said, are you down with this now?

[00:25:06] You know, it was always, there was never a situation where they are you going to get a real job. And I never had that. You know, it was always like, well, you know what? You didn’t book it this time, but there’ll be next time. And, you know, and they taught me how to save money and they taught me how to be smart about the logistics of life, which so many performers.

[00:25:27] I don’t think have that the advantage. So I’m, I am, I was very well taken care of, which is what I think allowed me to, to make it to nearly 40 years old and still be in this career. Well, 

[00:25:41] Dane: [00:25:41] yeah, absolutely. Well, let’s move on and piggyback on that question. What was your number one? Booked it moment. Walk us through that day, the audition and callbacks, if that happened to be part of it, what was going on in your life?

[00:25:56] And what about that moment? Makes it your favorite? Booked it a moment. Yeah. 

[00:26:04]Ron: [00:26:04] Aye. I think, well, one of the moments that I was. So thrilled about, because I had wanted to do this for so long was a Christmas show. I was actually in the middle of the ocean somewhere on cruise ship. And I had been emailing these people back and forth and I had submitted some.

[00:26:23] Vocal recordings and things like that, but it was a Christmas show that I wanted to do so badly. It’s what’s the Indianapolis symphony. And, I was sitting in the crew bar, I probably two in the morning. And, but I think like Indiana time, it would probably be morning. And I got this email and it says, and the host, that was Sandy Patty.

[00:26:42] Awesome. So I was to Jewish show, Sandy Patty, who, if you don’t know who Sandy Patty is, she’s she did contemporary Christian music. She still does, but she’s a singer who’s really popular in me, eighties, I guess I grew up listening to her and my family did. And so I’m gonna break out an email. You’re saying that I was hired.

[00:27:04] Yeah. The Christmas show with Sandy Patty. I was just, I remember my wife, she wasn’t my wife at the time, but she was sitting next to, I was just like, I can’t, I believe I’m going to have a job, but B with Sandy, Patty was. It’s Lord. And I’ll tell you what she was. Everything I hoped she would be. She was she’s magical onstage.

[00:27:27] And she, if you were not familiar with her, just, just do a little YouTube search, Sandy with an I and she’s. But yes, I still remember that sitting in a crew bar after a performance on a cruise ship hearing, I was going to perform Sandy Patty. So that was fine. 

[00:27:44] Dane: [00:27:44] That is a fantastic 

[00:27:45] Ron: [00:27:45] story. I 

[00:27:47] Dane: [00:27:47] love that.

[00:27:48] Well, Well, let’s take a moment to look at the present. What projects are you working on now? What are you looking forward to? And I know that we are, of course, in the middle of this global pandemic, but how do you see the entertainment industry moving forward in the next couple of years? 

[00:28:06] Ron: [00:28:06] Yeah. Wow. That’s, I’m not, I don’t know if I’m qualified to hardly answer that.

[00:28:12] I mean, I’m, I hope that this pandemic has shown people that. Ah, human interactions. Can’t B Substituted. You know, we, we need human beings in the same room doing things because, even this, you know, you were doing the interview virtually, right. We’re in two different locations. Yeah. And it’s just so difficult.

[00:28:37] I think people have learned, I think isolation is, is. Difficult. And so I’m hoping that what it does, the entertainment industry is it might bring back some of the more intimate performance venues. Places where people can go and B closer to the action, you know, I’m hoping that things become a bit more local.

[00:29:02] You know, we don’t necessarily need to bring in acts from all over the world. We have local musicians in every city in this country and the world, you are just as good as anybody else, and we need to support them. Yeah. I’m hoping that through this pandemic You know, artists are amazing. When we, when we have a challenge, we rise up and we adjust and we change.

[00:29:25] And as artists always evolving, I’ve been doing lots of just private time singing, you know, tackling music. I’ve never sung before pushing, you know, usually when you in a. Normal normal situation. You know, I don’t like to push myself vocally too difficult. I probably am show that night or, you know, you’re always sort of thinking about project across the project.

[00:29:48] Well, right now, my next project on the books isn’t until it’s about six months away. So right. I have it time to just sort of just. You know, experiment and play and record myself in a bedroom and play it back and cringe or think, Oh, that’s pretty good. You know, I think that it’s allowed me to have the freedom of not working towards a project, but just kind of working on.

[00:30:15] Me and I’m taking a step back as well from performance and looking at other arts, enjoying the TV art form and the book art form and the podcast art form and all those art forms that aren’t just so, okay. I’m hoping at this pandemic clears up sooner than later, and we can kind of. I don’t want to just get back to usual.

[00:30:39] I want to get back to better. You know, I, I want to get back to the more innovative, creative, intimate spaces. Yeah, 

[00:30:45] Dane: [00:30:45] absolutely. I agree. 

[00:30:49] Ron: [00:30:49] All 

[00:30:49] Dane: [00:30:49] right. Well, let’s move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightning round. So I’m going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible.

[00:31:03] Boom, boom, boom. Right after another. Are you ready? 

[00:31:06] Ron: [00:31:06] I think so. 

[00:31:07] Dane: [00:31:07] All right. First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career as an entertainer 

[00:31:15] Ron: [00:31:15] money? 

[00:31:16] Dane: [00:31:16] Money. Second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received?

[00:31:24] Ron: [00:31:24] Don’t be a jerk. 

[00:31:25] Dane: [00:31:25] Love that third question.

[00:31:28] What is something that is working for you now, or if you’d like to go pre COVID? What was something that was working for you before our industry went on? Pause, 

[00:31:39] Ron: [00:31:39] warming up with a straw. 

[00:31:41] Dane: [00:31:41] Really talk about that for a second. 

[00:31:43] Ron: [00:31:43] So I, I got into, you know, figuring out how to warm up, but that effectively is a science, but it’s also, you know, a little bit of experimentation.

[00:31:55] So one of my colleagues was like, have you tried doing a warmup with a straw? And I said, I have not. And so they showed me how to do it and it’s changed my performances for the better consistency. You know, all those sort of things. So you can find me just, you can just YouTube, but basically you just get a straw from wherever.

[00:32:17] And so Nate threw it and it causes back pressure. No, I’ve done it in the middle of a show to like reset beyond Buscher, if you’re doing like crazy wild piece, so a quiet piece or whatever. So it’s 

[00:32:29] Dane: [00:32:29] been really cool. Big stylistic differences. 

[00:32:32] Ron: [00:32:32] Yep. Yeah. 

[00:32:33] Dane: [00:32:33] You can go from some rock pop to some gold classic standards.

[00:32:36] Ron: [00:32:36] Perfect. Yep. That’s exactly right. 

[00:32:38] Dane: [00:32:38] Very cool. All right, well here’s the next question. Fourth question. What is the best resource, whether that’s a book, a movie, a YouTube video podcast, a piece of technology, whether that’s hardware or software that you found is helping your career right now. 

[00:32:56] Ron: [00:32:56] Okay, YouTube, 

[00:32:59] Dane: [00:32:59] YouTube.

[00:32:59] I love it. I mean, just in general, 

[00:33:03] Ron: [00:33:03] sort of a non-answer. Okay. I think what has helped me by, by YouTube research, what like listening two other singers and random equal it’s pulling up performances, live performances. Old singers or young singers, whatever. Yes. Yes. Listen to your, to your ears, listening to people, exposing yourself to different artists, as much as you can.

[00:33:30] Dane: [00:33:30] Fantastic. And the fifth question, this is probably my favorite one. And it is if you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in the entertainment industry. 

[00:33:46] Ron: [00:33:46] What 

[00:33:46] Dane: [00:33:46] would you do or not do? How would you do things differently or the same?

[00:33:52] Hmm. 

[00:33:53]Ron: [00:33:53] I would’ve started dance class when I was an infant. I think that was, yeah, I would have done, I would have, I would have paid attention two. I think that would have probably enabled me to work more when I was younger. I don’t need it as much now. Well, when I was young, Thank you. It would have enabled my career to be, yes.

[00:34:15] It’s a little bit more robust as when I was in my twenties. 

[00:34:19] Dane: [00:34:19] Yeah. I mean, when you really look at it at the end of the day, there are almost always more dancing roles than there are singing roles in any production. Yeah. So there’s just a higher probability that you could 

[00:34:31] Ron: [00:34:31] okay. Exactly. And, you know, aye. I am still when I go into auditions, you know, I it’s me versus a 25 year old sometimes quite honestly, I have a lot more experienced in that 25 year old does.

[00:34:46] And we looked very similar.  you’re gonna usually book it over a younger person, just that experience pays off. And so when I was 25 competing against a, you know, somebody in their thirties, like I got it. Yeah. They were better. They had 15 years of experience on me. They better be better. So, you know, that isn’t always the case of course, but I would say that the younger you are necessary to dance.

[00:35:17] Dane: [00:35:17] Yeah, for sure. I’m inclined to agree with you. Yeah. So let’s move on to the last question. What is the golden nugget knowledge drop you’ve learned from your successful career in the industry that you’d like to leave with our listeners? 

[00:35:34]Ron: [00:35:34] Yeah. I mean, I don’t. Take everything I say with a grain of salt, because anything else, anything I say, somebody could say the opposite and they could both be true.

[00:35:47] Okay. There are no absolutes in this career. And, at some level you just have to listen to your gut and do your best. 

[00:35:57] Dane: [00:35:57] Love that. Perfect. Well, let’s wrap this baby up. It is time to give yourself a plug. So where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? Is there anything you want to promote?

[00:36:10] Ron: [00:36:10] Well, I wish I could say come see me at, but right now, come see me performing in my office, usually around 4:00 PM. 

[00:36:16] Dane: [00:36:16] But 

[00:36:18] Ron: [00:36:18] the next show I have on the books right now is with the Seattle symphony. And it’s going to be in the middle of January for 2021. But in the meantime I have, cause he was on YouTube.

[00:36:30] And if you search Rhonda Grampy on YouTube, you can find me. And, yeah, I’m pretty easy and accessible. If anybody wants to contact me, they can hit me up on YouTube or Instagram and yeah, that’s, I mean, I’m not, I’m not hard to find. 

[00:36:44] Dane: [00:36:44] Great. And what’s your Instagram handle? 

[00:36:46] Ron: [00:36:46] It’s at Ron ramekins. Well, 

[00:36:48] Dane: [00:36:48] that’s easy.

[00:36:49] Isn’t it? Isn’t 

[00:36:50] Ron: [00:36:50] it. Yeah. There you go. 

[00:36:51] Dane: [00:36:51] Perfect. All right. Well, fantastic, Ron. Thank you so much for doing this today. 

[00:36:55] Ron: [00:36:55] Okay. Of course. It’s my pleasure. 

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