De’Lon Grant


EP 87: De’Lon Grant (autogenerated)

[00:00:00] Dane Reis: [00:00:00] you booked it. Episode 76. Okay. Let’s get started. I am excited to introduce my guest today. De’Lon Grant. Are you ready for this De’Lon?

[00:00:14] De’Lon Grant: [00:00:14] I’m so ready?

[00:00:15] Dane Reis: [00:00:15] Right on. Yeah. De’Lon is an actor and singer starring on Broadway in the Tony award nominated, hit musical come from a way. He spent three years touring domestically and internationally as a Barry Belson in the Tony award winning musical Jersey boys and was named best leading actor at the 2017 Ernie awards for his portrayal of Heywood Patterson in candor and ebbs.

[00:00:40] The Scottsboro boys, a role for which he also received an Elliot Norton award nomination, Dalon. That is a quick intro of who you are and what you’ve done, but why don’t you tell us a little bit more about yourself, fill in the gaps, who you are, and a little bit more about what you do as a professional in the entertainment industry.

[00:01:03]De’Lon Grant: [00:01:03]  I was born in Providence, Rhode Island, but my family. We, I was reared in Northern Minnesota, Duluth, Minnesota to be exact. Um, so definitely a Midwestern boy in so many respects, um, fell in love with theater. Cause that was a little bit of a, what I call a misguided youth.

[00:01:17] I really didn’t have a reason to go to that, that box, that, that building every day, I’m not a dumb kid by any means, but just really didn’t care about school. Discovered theater and music completely changed my life. Discovered I could do it for a profession, completely changed my life. Um, and ever since then, I’ve kinda just been on the train, you know, you know, we say bit by the bug.

[00:01:36]Um, and it’s, it’s been really rewarding. It’s been definitely challenging for, um, in many respects, but there’s nothing else that, um, I want to do, you know, nothing else that I, um, um, Yeah, I’m one of those people just to random thing. Um, I’m one of those people that whose favorite color is black and people say that black has color.

[00:01:52]Um, I completely disagree. I love black blues, a close second. Um, that’s a random factoid about me. Um, yeah. Um, I love Thai food. What else is there? Um, I guess in terms of the career, like what I’m doing now, there’s a little bit of a transition that I’m trying to find you and I were talking about this off Mike of what is next, um, being in front of the camera, being on stage, being the actor is, is primarily what I do, um, in terms of the profession.

[00:02:16]Um, but writing is something that I’m looking into, uh, Creating a one man show music. I’m trying to discover in these corn times as I called them. Um, what that next thing is for what the next step is in my career. Um, acting is always going to be at, uh, but I feel like there’s something adjacent to it. Um, that that might, uh, be fruitful and I can feel it in my gut that I’m trying to massage and, and bring to fruition.

[00:02:39]Dane Reis: [00:02:39] Yeah, brilliant.  I love that. You’re always on the journey and I love that you stated that, you know, I didn’t really, I wasn’t a dumb kid, but going to that box  had no purpose in my life.  school was kind of whatever to me. And that’s what I find with a lot of us artists is that. Yeah, not everybody obviously, you might be good at it, but it’s not really, it’s clearly not your calling.

[00:02:58] You’re like, ah, whatever, I gotta do this, gotta . And  for so many of us, the arts really are the thing that sparks that passion, that, that purpose for life.

[00:03:07]De’Lon Grant: [00:03:07] It’s so true. I mean, I gotta be honest with you. My once I started doing theater and singing in choir, my, my grades changed completely. I became student class president, student council, president. I was homecoming King. I was super over-involved in ways that I had never. Care to be involved before. Um, and I think to your point, it’s maybe as I would, I’m not a scientist, but I would assume that as creative people, we learn differently, we engage differently.

[00:03:30] And I don’t know that, um, the way we teach kids necessarily fits all of them. I know there has to be a system with which we educate our children. Um, but I don’t know that that’s fits for all of us. , um, I’m just really grateful that I was able to find, um, a group of misfits that I fit in with. Because that’s what kept me going.

[00:03:48] That’s what kept me on the track and got me here, you know?

[00:03:51]Dane Reis: [00:03:51] Yeah, absolutely and let’s move on to  this section and De’Lon, look, I am a sucker for a good quote. What is it your favorite quote? You’d like to share with everyone.

[00:04:03]De’Lon Grant: [00:04:03] It’s so simple and it requires context, but who told you that is my favorite quote and it, it, it, it gets at that little voice inside our head. The best way I can describe it for myself is. When I’m, I’m scared of something, or when you walk through the whole conversation that you think you’re going to have with, and you have all of your bullet points, I’m asking myself who told you that?

[00:04:25] Nobody told you that you’ve just made it up. You’ve created it. Who told you you’re not good enough? Who told you that there isn’t a part for you? Who told you that? You’re not right for that part? I love saying that to myself because it stops my. The preconceived notions or, or all of the things that I build up to prevent myself from being successful.

[00:04:43]Um, who told you that? Nobody told you that you just made it up?

[00:04:46]Dane Reis: [00:04:46] Yeah. So often we can be our own worst critics so easily and so often. And I love the simplicity of that quote. I’ve never heard that before. Brilliant. And let’s move on to this section. And Dylan, of course you are an editor Tanner. I am an entertainer. And I think that you would agree this entertainment industry can be one of the most subjective, brutally, honest, personally, emotional industries in existence.

[00:05:17] And you know, you know, as well as I, that in order to create and have a successful career in this industry, like you’re having now takes a lot. Of dedication and hard work and while yeah, sure. There is an outrageous amount of fun and excitement doing what we do. There are also our fair share of obstacles, challenges, and failures.

[00:05:39] We are going to experience and we’re going to have to move forward through. So tell us, what is one key challenge, obstacle or failure you’ve experienced in your career and how did you come out the other side better because of it.

[00:05:54]De’Lon Grant: [00:05:54] Yeah. The key challenge I would say is finding what I love about performing in a professional setting. I didn’t do that for a long time. I just chose to do this career and I kept doing it because it was fun and I enjoyed it. But what I enjoyed about it. Um, there was a time when I was a kid, when I first started doing that, where I just, uh, one has to be cast and wanted to work and want to, to have fun.

[00:06:23] But then I realized that power of what we do, the power of being a storyteller, the power of holding up a mirror to society. To reflect society and tell them, tell your audience something about themselves. And I think that’s our job. And it took me so long to discover that nugget because there was a while where I fell out of love with performing.

[00:06:45]Um,  I had that existential crisis of every time I wasn’t working or I wasn’t in a show, did I make the right career choice? But it’s that little thing. It’s that the important little nugget of. The I’m a storyteller. , um, this has significance and I hadn’t really found that until I’m in my late twenties.

[00:07:04]Um, so that was the challenge for me with the career of, of, uh, beyond getting the education and, and loving it, finding the purpose for it in, in the world. That’s what drives me now, if that makes any sense.

[00:07:16]Dane Reis: [00:07:16] Yeah, absolutely. Because. I think we all grew up in this performance world and we would discover that, Hey, we’re, we’re kind of kind of good at this. And I really love doing it. Maybe I could make this a career. I mean, I mean, up to that point, it’s all play. something that we just love to do. It’s a hobby  we do it for free?

[00:07:33] In fact, we are doing it for free for 99% of us  , we are doing it for free and that’s. That’s great. , but there definitely has to be that switch in your head where you go, okay, this is what I’m doing for a career. And that switch happens where you’re like, Oh right now I have to take this seriously.

[00:07:46] This is how I support myself, make money.   your relationship with the arts and performing inevitably has to shift and change a little bit when you make that decision. And absolutely, I completely agree with you and understand that.  crises of figuring out, well, where do I belong? Do, am I doing this because I love it now still?

[00:08:05] Or am I doing it just because this is what I’m good at. And it pays me money,

[00:08:10] you know, should I, is it worth doing something else that can just make me money because I can get money anywhere? Or do I stick to this, this trajectory that I’ve chosen there, I’m totally with you. It’s such a hard decision to make.

[00:08:22] And I think that as artists and I know myself personally, I’m always. That’s always mulling in my head in some, some version of that thought. And like, like, you it’s taken me, you know, , more recently into my career to even figure out what I really am passionate about. And then, yeah, this is where I want to be.

[00:08:39] This is where I want , uh, to be creating and how I want to be making my money, because it really ties into who I am. But  that is certainly not something that. I came to the realization of early in my career. I’m right with you.

[00:08:51]De’Lon Grant: [00:08:51] , it took, it took me until my late twenties. It really did. And you know, you know, what else had helped with Dane? And it really helped with realizing that it’s, it’s bigger than me right there. This has been going on since the Greeks started it. Right. And that I’m just a cog in it. And I know it sounds kind of cliche, but when to read, once it really sunk in into my spirit, I was like, Oh, this is.

[00:09:12] I can just get to, I get to do this. I get to be a part of this thing, and sometimes it really delivers and, and, um, excites me. And sometimes it really disappoints me, but that’s life. Um, but realizing that that being a storyteller and giving back is, is, um, for me, is the goal is the objective to use the acting word.

[00:09:30]Um, That that’s what kind of kept me going. And it, again, it was a challenge to discover, because again, I started falling out of love with it and I was like, well, I spent a lot of money and a lot of time doing this thing. Um, we need to reassess, you know, um, and I’m glad I found that.

[00:09:45]Dane Reis: [00:09:45] Absolutely. I love that. And let’s move on to this section to a time that I like to call your spotlight moment. That one moment in time you realized, yes, I am going to be an entertainer for a living or maybe it was, yes, this is what I need to be doing as an entertainer. And tell us about that.

[00:10:10]De’Lon Grant: [00:10:10] Great question. I love this question. I’m sorry. Really paint the picture for you. I’m 18 years old, I went to the university of Michigan studying acting. Um, the Iris repertory theater is doing a tour of Medea, starring Fiona Shaw. For those of you, I hope everyone knows who if you want a shot is if you don’t please Google her.

[00:10:28]Um, everyone knows a Harry Potter. She was on petunia in the Harry Potter movies, but she’s a brilliant actor sure. Aside from that small bit part, but that’s how. You know, she’s in the ether in terms of, um, her acting, uh, resume per se. So I’m sitting there watching this woman do Medea, which is this, you know, Greek tragedy.

[00:10:44] And from the beginning to the end of the show, she has, I was laughing and I’m like, I’ve read this. Play. I know how it ends. How are we laughing like this? Yeah, maybe they did, um, you know, an updated version of Medea. They had an adaptation of that adapter rewrite it, but I just was still so stymied and, and confused and then elated that this woman took something that I had an expectation for and completely flipped it on its head.

[00:11:11] Now I’m going to ruin this for your audience at the end of the play. She. Kills her children and why it’s hard to justify five, why someone would do that. But I understood because not only of the laughter, but because she built a three dimensional character that wasn’t, uh, held down or bogged down by the drama.

[00:11:32]Um, That I understood as psychologically at the end, why she killed the children. And I was like, Whoa, my mind is blown. That is exactly the job  to, to what I was talking about a little earlier about holding up a mirror to society, of being a storyteller. It allows people to see and reflect on humanity in their experience or the complete opposite of their experience.

[00:11:54] That for me, was such a light bulb. I will never forget that as long as I live. Um, and in a theater of, you know, 1300 people, I was the only person that screamed when she killed the children. Cause I was so invested in the play. Um, and what she created as an actor, that for me is, is the moment I was like, Oh, that I want to do.

[00:12:13] I really want to be able to make an audience member feel what I just felt. Um, and, and that woman really did it for me. She and everything. Yeah, she does. I hands down, am astounded by her. Please look her up. Uh, everyone, if you haven’t.

[00:12:25]Dane Reis: [00:12:25] that is. An amazing story. You are so right. I love that. And the fact that she was able to in such a heavy role, it’s a crazy outcome and a final outcome to portray that and to get it to the point where you, as the audience member understood her. yes, that makes sense. Wow. That is an amazing story.

[00:12:45] I love that

[00:12:46] De’Lon Grant: [00:12:46] And it doesn’t I’m killing children is terrible. Right? I doesn’t mean that. I was like, that’s what she should have done, but I could get into her brain space. It was crazy. It’s such a surreal experience. 

[00:12:58] Dane Reis: [00:12:58] Yeah, absolutely. And let’s piggyback on that real quick and talk about your number one, booked it moment. Walk us through that day, the auditions and call backs. If they happen to be a part of it, what was going on in your life? And what about that moment? Makes it your favorite? Booked it moment.

[00:13:21]De’Lon Grant: [00:13:21] Yeah,  um, uh, come from away. The play that I’m currently in when not only because it’s my first Broadway show, but, um, I was in one of those existential crisis moments of, okay. The career’s not giving me what I needed to, what I want it to. I have to work harder. I got to dig my heels in a little bit more.

[00:13:37]Um, I’m going back to my sixth call back for Hamilton. Um, at this point I’ve auditioned for several. Different parts in the show. They liked me. I, I, they just can’t figure out where to put me. I can do this thing. I can’t sing that note, but I can rap really well. And that character, you know, they’re trying to place me.

[00:13:56] And I’m a little, um, I’d say.  Hmm. I’m a little tired. I’m trying to be diplomatic, but , you know, you go to these auditions, the six callback, you’re kind of like, well, you don’t want me at this point. So Telsey cast both Hamilton and come from away. I’m sitting there. The casting director from Hamilton introduced me to the casting director from come from away.

[00:14:18] Lo and behold, they needed an actor to replace the actor on Broadway. Immediately. It was like within the next day I had to go into audition for this part cause they had to find somebody. So I should also say I was reluctant to go to this Hamilton call back, but me and my agent were like, we’re just going to keep fighting for it.

[00:14:39]So. The Hamilton thing, my audition, it doesn’t go that well. Um, but I have this audition for come from away. The next day I go to an audition for come from away. Four days later, I go to a call back the next day. I’m on Broadway, not literally on Broadway, but my agent called me and she said, I’m getting an offer.

[00:14:58] Welcome to Broadway. So the story is so magical in my mind because you know, you see me fighting for this thing and kind of being bogged down by the. The just the life of being an actor, right. Auditioning and not getting the park call backs, all this stuff and not getting it. But then you see the other half other side of it where you can within a week, get apart and, and be in rehearsal.

[00:15:23]Um, and it was a three week really quick rehearsal process and it was kind of a whirlwind. And, uh, I opened on Broadway the day before my birthday. Um, so this show and, and what it. Says the story, you know, kindness, love and generosity is basically the nugget that our audience takes the way with, from come from a way that was such a gift all around it.

[00:15:45]Um,  it was 2017 when I booked the show and I wasn’t sure. How New York was going to work for me, how the career was going to work for me, I just come off of three and a half years touring with Jersey boys, and wasn’t really sure how to do it and what was going to happen. And so, um, thank you to the universe.

[00:16:01] It kind of just all lined up for me. So come from a way, is my book that moment, it, I will never forget it.

[00:16:08]Dane Reis: [00:16:08] That is fantastic. And you’re you’re right. It’s crazy how, you know, you know, you’re in this grind. Doing the New York thing, trying to make it work. And you, and you are making it work from a lot of perspectives. I mean, I mean, you’re at your sixth call back for one of the, if not the biggest show at the moment. And all of a sudden, you just, like you said, within a week there you were in rehearsals getting ready to debut on your first Broadway show.

[00:16:31] It’s crazy how fast things can move.

[00:16:33]De’Lon Grant: [00:16:33] it is. And I think it’s a really good. Great Testament. It’s harder when you’re in it, but it’s a really great Testament to there’s no rhyme or reason to what we do, you know, there’s we think, how do you do it? Should I go to this school? Should I take with this teacher? Or should I continue studying or should I do film?

[00:16:50] There’s no. Set journey or path for anyone. And I know we hear that a lot, but it’s one of those examples personally, where I go, well, , you know, I didn’t know that this was going to happen and you kind of just, you do the work and you, you try to be the best person you can be and hope for the best. And as long as you’re you love.

[00:17:08]Your love for it is still there. And your passion for it is still there. Then you continue to do it. Um, but it is such a great example for me, personally, of wow, Dalon, you just keep going, you just keep going. And that happens or it doesn’t, you know? Um, and I feel like most times maybe this is me being a little optimistic, but I feel like most times it works out.

[00:17:29]Dane Reis: [00:17:29] Yeah, absolutely. I’m inclined to agree with you. And I think you said it right there. You said you do the work. You just keep doing the work, keep moving forward. And the good stuff happens.

[00:17:40]De’Lon Grant: [00:17:40] Because the work is it right? The work is actually actually the job, you know, um, be it in a, in an audition room, the audition itself in the rehearsal room or performance every day, whatever the work is around, whatever you’re doing, that is the job. It’s not being on Broadway. It’s not being in that film.

[00:17:57]Um, Hartford, hard to divorce yourself for the two I’m still working on it. Um, because you want the, um, the significance of being on Broadway or a movie or on TV or all that stuff. Um, but once you get down to just doing the work, I’m say this to myself, as much as your listeners, that is, that is the ticket.

[00:18:14]Um, cause no matter what. It’ll come or it won’t all jobs, all these jobs, they come and they go, but the work is always the work

[00:18:22]Dane Reis: [00:18:22] Yeah, absolutely. Well Well said. And let’s take a moment to talk about the present. What projects are you working on now? What are you looking forward to? And Hey, it’s a crazy time where amidst this global pandemic. How do you see the entertainment industry moving forward in the next couple of years?

[00:18:42]De’Lon Grant: [00:18:42] Yeah. Currently, um, as I was saying earlier, I’m trying to massage other ways of being involved creatively or being involved as a creative. So definitely, always going to be an actor that has. Um, my first love with regard to entertainment, but doing some writing, um, I’ve been trying to, uh, have an instrument that I play other than sing singing.

[00:19:06]Uh, as my voice has my instrument or my body is my instrument. So I’m learning to play the guitar, trying to write some music, um, massaging things that like you always think about. Wanting to do, but you can never make the time. Uh, unfortunately the pandemic has given us plenty of that. Um, so working on some of that stuff, uh, seeing what, what sticks what’s gonna, uh, what’s going to serve me best, not sure that writing a TV script is it for me, but music is my way in, not bad as something that I can really feel, um, uh, developing and blossoming and so massaging that, but, but definitely testing a lot of the.

[00:19:42] The different interests that I may or may have had, I’m trying to do as much watching as I can because, um, that is always important. And that’s a segue to what’s happening in the business now and, and what’s going to happen in the future. I really have so much respect for people attempting to, to create theater virtually.

[00:20:03] And we’re the industry or the industries. Are are grappling with how we kind of do it and keep its authenticity. Keep its um, what it is, keep the live performance with theater in particular, keep the live performance aspect of it because that’s what it is. Um, that’s what, um, there’s something, um, Glorious about that.

[00:20:22] I can’t really describe what it is to be in a room with thousands of other people watching this performance. Um, so I don’t, I don’t know exactly what it’s gonna look like, but I appreciate people trying to use a camera and not make it a TV or a film or a TV show or a film, but using it as a live performance, some people have , uh, um, done the multicam.

[00:20:46] Thing on, on a stage that I’ve seen, I’ve seen a lot of free theater, which is great archived theater. I really do think that after this, we’re gonna see some interesting and creative ways of, of doing, uh, performing, um, with not being in the same space, which. I think again is, is, uh, I pause on that because I do think there’s something yeah.

[00:21:08] About sharing a space with, you know, 1100 other people or 50 other people, whatever the size of the theater is and watching a live performance, um, from beginning to end. But , uh, that the moment mandates that we evolve. Um, and I think as artists, as creatives, we do that very well. Um, I will say this. I also think that.

[00:21:30] I hope that as, as an individual artists and creatives, that it gives a lot of us more agency in terms of our career. You know, the internet is amazing. It’s allowed so many people to have these full careers and make money just creating their own content and doing what fits them. So many times, we’re trying to fit into boxes of someone else’s story, someone else’s character or excavate the character from what someone else has written.

[00:21:56] But the internet and social media have allowed people to be themselves or create for themselves. And I think of ECRA, um, who created the show insecure? That’s a great example of, um, someone who started. She had a show called awkward black girl on YouTube that got really popular. And then. You know, it took some years, but she got a development deal with HBO, and now she has a hit show on HBO.

[00:22:19] I think that the quarantine moment is going to force more four of us to try to, um, get the reins on our career to feel like we actually have some control and forward momentum. So I do, I’ve done that happens more because the time is now and I think it’s important and yeah, the potential is really significant.

[00:22:37]Dane Reis: [00:22:37] Yeah, I love all that. And yeah. Thank you for that insight. I think it’s really fantastic. Everything. That you’re foreseeing love that. Thank you. And it is time to move on to one of my favorite sections in the interview. I call it the grease lightning round.

[00:22:55] I am going to ask you a handful of questions. I want you to answer them as quickly and concisely as possible.

[00:23:01] One. Is there another, are you ready?

[00:23:04]De’Lon Grant: [00:23:04] I’m ready,

[00:23:05] Dane Reis: [00:23:05] All right. First question. What was the one thing holding you back from committing to a career as an entertainer?

[00:23:12]De’Lon Grant: [00:23:12] confidence, confidence in myself and knowing how powerful I am and capable that I am.

[00:23:17] Dane Reis: [00:23:17] Yes. Second question. What is the best piece of advice you have ever received?

[00:23:23]De’Lon Grant: [00:23:23] Yes in auditions. Those are your five minutes. Nobody can take them away from you just commit to that. And that’s all you need getting the part is bi-product.

[00:23:34]Dane Reis: [00:23:34] Love it. Amazing advice. And the third question, what is something that is working for you right now? Or if you’d like to go pre COVID, what was working for you before our industry went on? Pause.

[00:23:48]De’Lon Grant: [00:23:48] Like I said a little bit earlier, the music side of things, you know, I do musical theater, but I’ve never felt like I was a musician. And now I’m seeing the musician being born. It’s really cool.

[00:23:59] Dane Reis: [00:23:59] Love it. And the fourth question, what is your best resource? Whether that is a book, a movie, a YouTube video podcast, maybe a piece of technology that you found is helping your career right now.

[00:24:13]De’Lon Grant: [00:24:13] Books books, books read, read, read. I read a book earlier this year, big magic by Elizabeth Gilbert who wrote eat, pray, love. That was truly inspiring. Another one that I read pretty annually as the war of art by Steven Pressfield. These are creative people who talk about what it is to be motivated in creative life and give you tips on how to be motivated.

[00:24:33]Dane Reis: [00:24:33] I love that book, the war of art. I have it on, I have the audible version of it and I. We’ll just regularly blast through that. And I usually listen to everything between two and 2.5 times speed,

[00:24:44] but it’s also a pretty short book. 

[00:24:46] So it’s so easy to get so inspired so fast. I love that book.

[00:24:50]De’Lon Grant: [00:24:50] me too.

[00:24:51] Dane Reis: [00:24:51] And the fifth question, if you had to start your career from scratch, but you still had all the knowledge and experience you’ve collected from your career in this industry, what would you do or not do.

[00:25:05] Would you do anything differently or would you keep it the same?

[00:25:09]De’Lon Grant: [00:25:09] Because this is both of our Alma maters. I’m a little embarrassed, but I would not go to grad school. I went to the Boston conservatory and it was a lot of money and I really wish I would have maybe just taken some classes in New York. And, um, yeah, I think the grad school was a lot grad school. I’m still paying for that.

[00:25:27]Dane Reis: [00:25:27] Yep. I hear ya. And the last question, what is the golden nugget knowledge drop you’ve learned from your successful career in this industry? You’d like to leave with our listeners.

[00:25:41]De’Lon Grant: [00:25:41] Yes, being kind and gracious is the simplest of tasks and it does wonders for your reputation and that manifests in writing. Thank you notes. After that manifests in responding to emails, it’s a really small, small things can go  a long way. And that took me a little bit to realize, and now I’m much, much better at it.

[00:26:07]Dane Reis: [00:26:07] Yeah. You’re so you’re so right. And I always like to say do people as well, if they’re coming up in this industry, I said, just be nice to people.

[00:26:15] You will never know. You never know who someone is or what someone will become or who you will become and how you remember other people treating you. So it has so much to do with your career so much.

[00:26:29] De’Lon Grant: [00:26:29] And I also admit that I know that sometimes being kind is harder when you are bothered or upset or by a situation or a person, but you’re right. It goes so far. It really does.

[00:26:42]Dane Reis: [00:26:42] Absolutely. And to wrap up this interview, Dalon, it is time to give yourself a plug. Where can we find you? How do our listeners connect with you? Is there anything you want to promote?

[00:26:56]De’Lon Grant: [00:26:56] I guess there’s nothing concrete that I would say go watch that I’ve put out into the world right now, but watch for me, I guess. And you can do that on Instagram and Twitter at, at @thedelondotcom. That’s at T H E Dalon, D E L O N D O T C O M. So all spelled out, um, and you can go to my website,

[00:27:19]Dane Reis: [00:27:19] Beautiful. And for everyone listening out there, I have put the links to everything Delondra said in the description of this episode, you can easily head over there and check them out the lawn. Thank you so much for being on the show today. It’s been an absolute pleasure to speak with you and to have you here.

[00:27:36]De’Lon Grant: [00:27:36] no, thank you for having me, Dane. It’s been awesome to catch up with you again and just speak with you and your listeners. You’re great.

[00:27:42]Dane Reis: [00:27:42] Thank